what happened?!?!?!?!?! no start???

[speedmaxx]

so my car was running perfectly fine before the tear down. I installed a bunch of new parts, delta cams, valve cover gaskets, timing belt, all timing pullies, timing covers, ngk gpowers, duralast wires.

I lined up the notch on the cam gears with the notches on the timing belt backing plate, and I lined up the arrow on the crank gear strait up to the notch on the block. I though this was all right. the belt is nice and tight so its not skipping teeth at all.

so what would cause the no start? the car will crank over all day long but it just wont start.

can it be from the cams? is my timing off? would the change in plugs cause this?

HELP!!!!!

thanks

[Jessekrs123]

so my car was running perfectly fine before the tear down. I installed a bunch of new parts, delta cams, valve cover gaskets, timing belt, all timing pullies, timing covers, ngk gpowers, duralast wires.

I lined up the notch on the cam gears with the notches on the timing belt backing plate, and I lined up the arrow on the crank gear strait up to the notch on the block. I though this was all right. the belt is nice and tight so its not skipping teeth at all.

so what would cause the no start? the car will crank over all day long but it just wont start.

can it be from the cams? is my timing off? would the change in plugs cause this?

HELP!!!!!

thanks

That is your problem. You are only supposed to line up the NOTCHES. The arrow is for TDC, ignore it. To set up timing, you must line up the notches and the notches only. No arrows. Line up the notch on the crank gear to the notch on the block, not the arrow on the crank gear to the notch on the block.

There is a little notch on one of the crank gear's teeth. It looks like the notches on the cam gears.

You are quite lucky that this is an older non-interference engine, or you would have bent your valves all over the place.

[speedmaxx]

Okay Perfect, thank u big time. So I redid my timing belt and all seems good, still no start WTF?!?!?

Now when I got the cams I put them up to my old ones to see the difference and every loab looked to be smaller, now I'm not a genius but wouldn't u want them to be bigger to keep the exhaust and intake open longer? There the delta 220 grind. I am being told this may be the reason why my car won't start.

Also I did not readjust my valves cAuse the lobs were smaller, is this a mistake on my part?

[Jessekrs123]

Really? Still no start huh? Check the following:
1. Spark
2. Fuel
3. Double check timing
4. Compression

When you dropped the engine back in did you forget to reconnect any wires? Make sure that all of your electrical connectors are connected, and one major thing is to check the ECU ground located on the driver's side rocker cover. I know when I dropped my motor back in, I hadn't tightened it good enough which left me at a loss of spark.

Using a test light and a multimeter look for power and ground to all of your sensors via the connectors.

I am not really sure about this, so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you need to re-adjust the valves because of the HLAs. Plus IIRC, Delta 220s are plug and play, they go in with no need for adjustment or tuning.

Go through those 4 test and come back here and let us know your results and we can furthermore troubleshoot it from there.

[speedmaxx]

Okay I have checked for spark and it's good, I got fuel on the plugs so I'm assuming I'm good, I double checked the timing and I'm almost positive I'm right, The mechanic even checked it said timing should be correct.

I will be doing a compression test tommorow

I aculy did this all with the motor in the car, it was acually pretty easy, I didn't even have to pull the heads to getthe cams out just the valve covers were removed and rocker assembly. The only sensor thT were touched were the maf when I removed the intake, and the cam position sensor.

Now u got me thinking about thAt ground... I don't reMember seeing any wires by the valve cover or rocker assembly? Am I missing something?

[Jessekrs123]

Now u got me thinking about thAt ground... I don't reMember seeing any wires by the valve cover or rocker assembly? Am I missing something?

On the driver's side rocker cover, way in the back by the firewall is where the ECU/Main ground is located. It is big, so it isn't too hard too miss. Look for a floating ring wire around that vicinity.

I'm guessing that you're losing compression somewhere. Double double double check your timing. Hand crank the car and look at the notches again, make sure they are perfect.

[Legacy777]

That ground is located on the intake manifold, not the rocker cover. You shouldn't have had to mess with that ground.

As for your problem. If you have fuel & spark, I'd focus on the timing. Any chance you could snap a few pictures showing the timing gears/belt alignment?

[speedmaxx]

Ya Ill try snap some pics tommorow, does any one have a how to on how to do a timing belt for a 2.2l?

Basically what I did I lined the notches on the cam gears With the notches in the timing belt plastic backing plate.
Then for the crank gear I put the number one piston on tdc, then put my factory crank pully on and max sure the not h in the back of it lined up with zero on the timing cover

[Jessekrs123]

Ya Ill try snap some pics tommorow, does any one have a how to on how to do a timing belt for a 2.2l?

Basically what I did I lined the notches on the cam gears With the notches in the timing belt plastic backing plate.
Then for the crank gear I put the number one piston on tdc, then put my factory crank pully on and max sure the not h in the back of it lined up with zero on the timing cover

It is so easy to do that there is not a "How To". Just line up all of the notches, and ONLY the notches. IGNORE TDC, IT IS JUST THERE TO CONFUSE YOU. Line the notches on the cam sprockets with the notches on the rear timing cover, and line up the crank sprocket, with the notch on one of the tabs with the notch on the block.

[Legacy777]

As Jessekrs123 mentioned, you do NOT need to align the engine with TDC. Just use the timing marks. Use the mark on the back of the timing gear.

Here is the procedure for the timing belt from the factory manual.

http://main.experiencetherave.com/subar ... _belt1.jpg
http://main.experiencetherave.com/subar ... _belt2.jpg
http://main.experiencetherave.com/subar ... _belt3.jpg
http://main.experiencetherave.com/subar ... _belt4.jpg
http://main.experiencetherave.com/subar ... _belt5.jpg
http://main.experiencetherave.com/subar ... _belt6.jpg
http://main.experiencetherave.com/subar ... _belt7.jpg
http://main.experiencetherave.com/subar ... _belt8.jpg

[speedmaxx]

That is exactly how I had set it up the first time. I'm starting to think it has to do with the cams, should the lobs be bigger on the delta cams? Or am I missing something

[speedmaxx]

Also I notice it says there is a notch on the crank gear, mine has a arrow is that the same as the notch?

Btw thanks big time for those links!!!

[Legacy777]

I put in a set of delta cams. I don't recall if I measured the difference in lob height. You can check my thread here in the engine forum to see if I put it in there. I don't think that's your problem.

You do not want to use the arrow. In these pics you can see the mark on the back of the timing gear that you want to use.

http://main.experiencetherave.com/subar ... P_2728.JPG
http://main.experiencetherave.com/subar ... G_2695.JPG
http://main.experiencetherave.com/subar ... G_2696.JPG

[canubaru]

this one is pretty good too:

http://www.lovehorsepower.com/SubaruDoc ... erPump.htm

[speedmaxx]

Yes!!!!! I got her fired up!!!! Sounds pretty sweet with the cams in there.

Big thanks to everyone for helpin me out

One more question lol I had about a quart or 2 of fluid leak out of my trany cooler a few days ago when I was turn my car over with the radiator out, so some fluid leaked out. I went to my local Subaru dealer to get a quart and they said they only sold it in bulk. Owners manual says to only use dexcron 2, which I could not find at autozone. I did however find this

http://www.lucasoil.com/products/displa ... icle%20ATF

Will this work fine? I had a trany flush done at the Subaru dealer about a year ago and all is well with my tranny I'm just lookin to not screw it up.

[canubaru]

dexcron 2 was replace by dexron 3, autozone probably has their own brand which will work fine. the lucas will probably be ok but may cost more. but it should be equal to or better than dexron 2.

what did you do to get it running?

[speedmaxx]

okay so Im faced with another issue.

when I fist got the car fired up my timing was slightly off and I new it, the car was running rough. I drove it like that just to get me threw the day. I then went redid the timing, my god what a difference!!!! cams RULE... it had power all over, and was smooth right to redline.

I ran it for a few day like this and all was great. this morning I went to fire her up and nothing, she was just cranking, I gave her some gas and she started up but was rnning very rough, like not all cylinders were firing. so I tryed some new wires but got nothing, I pulled the plugs and they were soot black like shes running very rich. she will fire but I have to stay on the gas. I also checked the 2 crank timimng marks and there lined up perfect with each other, and my timimng belt is still tight so I dought it jumped any teeth.

what the hell happened???@?@?@? It was running so good and then all of a sudden. dont get me wrong when everything was running good I was deffinatly getting on it and playing with the new found power but nothing more then my usuall.

[tahiti350]

Not sure of the probelm now, but to answer your Delta cam question about hte lobes being smallr:

Delta regrinds factory cams, so they have to reduce the base circle to get the increased lift and duration. Delta DOES NOT start with cam blanks like Comp or Lunati, etc... That's why your new cams are smaller than the factory ones.