Gear Ratio and LSD info
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Hey JOsh I was just doing some work to the mid late 90's Legacys with the 2.2 Na, for the 5mt's the final drives are 3.9, where the 2.5 were 4.11. I have had a few this week from 94-99 and the FSM was consistant to the above gears over that spread of years. Just thought I's add that...
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I don't know if you guy have been reading up on my posts over on NASIOC or RS25.
These are ALL 5-SPEEDs.
90-94 Legacy 5spd: 4.111FD
95-99 Legacy 2.2L; excluding 2.5L: 3.900
96-99 Legacy 2.5GT/Outback 2.5L: 4.111
93-95 Impreza 1.8L: 4.111FD
96-01 Impreza 2.2L: 3.900
98-01 Impreza 2.5L: 4.111
02-03 Impreza 2.5RS: 4.111
04+ Impreza 2.5RS SPORT: 4.111
02+ Impreza 2.5TS/OBS: 3.900
04+ Impreza 2.5RS(non-sport): 3.900
This is from my reseach thus far.
Mod edit: Changed years to 1990-1994 Legacy 5spd
These are ALL 5-SPEEDs.
90-94 Legacy 5spd: 4.111FD
95-99 Legacy 2.2L; excluding 2.5L: 3.900
96-99 Legacy 2.5GT/Outback 2.5L: 4.111
93-95 Impreza 1.8L: 4.111FD
96-01 Impreza 2.2L: 3.900
98-01 Impreza 2.5L: 4.111
02-03 Impreza 2.5RS: 4.111
04+ Impreza 2.5RS SPORT: 4.111
02+ Impreza 2.5TS/OBS: 3.900
04+ Impreza 2.5RS(non-sport): 3.900
This is from my reseach thus far.
Mod edit: Changed years to 1990-1994 Legacy 5spd
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FD on a 1990-94 5MT fwd is 3.70. Turbo 5MTs are 3.90.
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You should be 4.11 I believe. Someone will pipe in and correct me if I'm wrong but I know that the 5sp AWD NA's are 4.11 and I'm very positive you are too.
On the back cover of the rear diff, likely under some road grime, is a ~1"x2" sticker that will verify that for you. Just wipe off the back and take a look.
On the back cover of the rear diff, likely under some road grime, is a ~1"x2" sticker that will verify that for you. Just wipe off the back and take a look.
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I believe this thread is missing the most important information of all, a differential code translation matrix.
Often you get a differential and you can't be sure what vehicle it came from. Even then you never know if it was swapped at some time. Even with the older style units the foil sticker is sometimes missing and you are left to guess. I searched high and low for this info and so far i haven't found it. Instead I went out and manually measured a bunch of differentials myself.
Code - axle type - LSD? - size - ratio
HB - female axles - open - R160 - 3.9
BK - male axles - LSD - r160 - 4.11
EF - male axles - LSD - r160 - 3.54
TR - male axles - open - r160 - 4.11
From what I can tell all differentials at least from the first generation legacys have this code painted on them in multiple spots.
I also posted this information on nasty cock, see this link http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22235523
Can we modify the first post to start to include these codes?
BTW, if anyone cares my frankendiff has been working for many years without issue. I took a 4.44 LSD and a 4.11 open differential and put the VLSD carrier into the 4.11 case.
Often you get a differential and you can't be sure what vehicle it came from. Even then you never know if it was swapped at some time. Even with the older style units the foil sticker is sometimes missing and you are left to guess. I searched high and low for this info and so far i haven't found it. Instead I went out and manually measured a bunch of differentials myself.
Code - axle type - LSD? - size - ratio
HB - female axles - open - R160 - 3.9
BK - male axles - LSD - r160 - 4.11
EF - male axles - LSD - r160 - 3.54
TR - male axles - open - r160 - 4.11
From what I can tell all differentials at least from the first generation legacys have this code painted on them in multiple spots.
I also posted this information on nasty cock, see this link http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22235523
Can we modify the first post to start to include these codes?
BTW, if anyone cares my frankendiff has been working for many years without issue. I took a 4.44 LSD and a 4.11 open differential and put the VLSD carrier into the 4.11 case.
Last edited by ciper on Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:56 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I made a mistake on the last post (a very fuking time consuming mistake). The TR is actually an open differential.
Also on a different not this page has many transmission code numbers and specs!
http://spda-online.ca/modules/tinyconte ... tc_28.html
Also on a different not this page has many transmission code numbers and specs!
http://spda-online.ca/modules/tinyconte ... tc_28.html
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OK, according to this (pdf) the 1995 Legacy AT has a 4.111 FD, while the MT has 3.900 FD... Exact opposite of the first gens.
Thanks to kimokalihi for those manuals, see this thread for the others: http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic.php?t=40325
Thanks to kimokalihi for those manuals, see this thread for the others: http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic.php?t=40325
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Re: Gear Ratio and LSD info
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This one has a ton of gear ratios. Doesn't do automatics though.
This one has a ton of gear ratios. Doesn't do automatics though.
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Re: Gear Ratio and LSD info
i need a compatible replacement tranny for my 91 legacy l, given that the rear end is a 4.11 what transmissions are compatible?
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Re: Gear Ratio and LSD info
All the 4.11 transmissions will work, until they got rid of the speedo gear in the transmission itself. So anything prior to 05 for legacys, and prior to 08 for impreza. If you are intending to keep the cable actuated clutch, then stick with 90s 4.11s for ease of swapping.
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Josh Colombo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2002 10:23 am Wait....I'm confused now.
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Many thanks Mike, anybody you know have a good one laying around they want to sell in decent shape?
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Re: Gear Ratio and LSD info
The newer "phase 2" transmissions that appeared in the late 90s/early 2000s have twice as many bolt holes as the older stuff, but they still mount and bolt up just fine. That's what I'm using on my 92 Legacy, a 99 Impreza 8-bolt transmission.
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Josh Colombo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2002 10:23 am Wait....I'm confused now.
Re: Gear Ratio and LSD info
I have a mt5 1993 legacy ss with a stock 3.90fd open diff. Can I swap in a 3.90fd 91/92 legacy ss vlsd using the rear axles already on my car?
If not, how hard is it to find the correct rear axle stubs? or is it possible to open up the axle housing and put the vlsd differential case into my open diff housing?
If not, how hard is it to find the correct rear axle stubs? or is it possible to open up the axle housing and put the vlsd differential case into my open diff housing?
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Re: Gear Ratio and LSD info
1. Only 91ss got vlsd, and 2. You need to get that Diff with the Stubs attached. Without the "unique to 91 VLSD diff only" stubs which are long out of production, the diff is useless. 3. Standard 90-94 legacy axles work.
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Josh Colombo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2002 10:23 am Wait....I'm confused now.
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Re: Gear Ratio and LSD info
94gt is 4.111 correct?
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