Will All This Fit My Car?

blueslsti2004 · Post by **blueslsti2004** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:04 pm

Model: 94 Subaru Legacy Wagon L (Non-Turbo)
Chassis Code: BJ6
Manual Transmission (soon to have STi Short Throw Linkage with Kartboy Lever and Cusco Bushings)

Parts: KYB AGX Struts, Eibach or Whiteline Springs (or another good spring company), STi STrut Mounts, Whiteline Anti-Lift Kit, Morette Twin Headlight Conversion, STi Pedals

Please give me feedback ASAP!!!

Note: I have 17" Rota Tarmacs on the car right now...

91White-T · Post by **91White-T** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:18 pm

There's a Morette twin headlight for 1st gen Legacy? Everything else you listed is made in wagon specific applications, except the STi pedals which are probably universal, so yes it should all fit.

blueslsti2004 · Post by **blueslsti2004** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:26 pm

91White-T wrote:There's a Morette twin headlight for 1st gen Legacy? Everything else you listed is made in wagon specific applications, except the STi pedals which are probably universal, so yes it should all fit.

Kool Thanx! Um, with the Morette Twin Headlights thing you might have to modify them. Right now, they make them for a 93-2001 impreza and a 97-1999 Legacy. I'm trying to get in contact with them to see if the Impreza ones will fit my car and if not then the Legacy ones. Go to boxer4racing.com click on Performance for Impreza RS/TS, Legacy, Forester and Baja then click on Exterior then scroll down...

91White-T · Post by **91White-T** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:29 pm

Yeah I knew about those. They're gonna be real hard to fit, both impreza and 2nd gen legacy have a rounded front end, while 1st gen has more of a straight front. If you can get them to fit, they will look good though.

blueslsti2004 · Post by **blueslsti2004** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:42 pm

Hopefully they will fit...

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:48 am

they wont

you'll have to do some cutting and drilling.

tris91ricer · Post by **tris91ricer** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 8:21 pm

How much cutting and drilling? I've always liked the JDM projector headlight sets for the 95-99 legacies.. Thought they looked pretty tight, plus, they're projectors.
Good luck on all that work, blueslsti2004.

BAC5.2 · Post by **BAC5.2** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 9:58 am

Have you even seen a 2nd Gen Legacy?

Their front ends look NOTHING similar to ours!

You'll have to cut/drill the car itself, and probably do some custom fiberglass work too.

You want to put headlights designed for this:

into this:

http://www.jinaonline.org/image/sale/1002305.jpg

Do you see what I am saying here?

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 3:18 pm

Just because the outer shell looks nothing like something else doesn't mean the basic shape of the inside is different. Just have to be a little more complete if you want to convert. All you have to do really is cut the headlight opening some, then find out where the headlights mount and cut holes for those. I do think those mount two on the top and two on the inner side, but I could be wrong. THen get matching bumper, fenders, grill and hood, and guess what you got...a second gen front end. You may have to modify the top of the fender, I haven't looked closely at those cars.

BAC5.2 · Post by **BAC5.2** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:00 pm

If you wanted to convert the whole front end to a 2nd gen, yea, it'd work.

You would need, at the very least, a new grille and some custom work with the hood (significant custom work. The 2nd Gen hoods are contoured, the 1st gens, obviously, arent).

And then it's just a matter of a sawzall and body filler to get the sides to line up.

If you don't convert to a 2nd gen front end, it'll be hard to get them to line up and look any kind of decent.

91White-T · Post by **91White-T** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:02 pm

BAC5.2 wrote:

Hey, thats a CT plate! awesome.

evolutionmovement · Post by **evolutionmovement** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:28 pm

If you converted the front end, how would the fenders align to the doors? That's assuming the mounting points for everything line up. The style would be very strange with the older back end to say the least.

Steve

greg donovan · Post by **greg donovan** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:48 pm

your best bet would be to learn how to work w/fiberglass and make a mold of the stock lights cut a couple holes and put in your own projectors and corner markers/turn signals.

that would look ALOT better than putting a 2nd gen front end on a 1st gen car.

on that note what would be a good source for projection beam headlamps?

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 6:44 pm

greg donovan wrote:on that note what would be a good source for projection beam headlamps?

Susquehanna Motorsports (rallylights.com) is a Hella dealer, and they carry the H9-based 90mm units, which are very good:

http://www.rallylights.com/hella/90mm_modules.asp

Be careful while browsing through their catalog for other stuff, though... they do have a lot of complete garbage mixed in with the good stuff, and they don't do a good job of indicating which is which.

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 3:38 am

You wouldn't have to do custom work if you got the fenders and bumper to match.

BAC5.2 · Post by **BAC5.2** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 3:51 am

THAWA wrote:You wouldn't have to do custom work if you got the fenders and bumper to match.

You still have the REST of the body to line up with.

You would need the hood, bumper, grille, and fenders at the very least. The mounting points ARE slightly different from what I remember. Then you have doors and a whole rear end that wouldn't match AT ALL.

I've owned both a BD AND the BC, the body lines aren't even CLOSE.

You have to match those lines with these:

Sawzall the stock fenders, and you still have a hood to deal with. You can't use the BD hood with the stock BC fenders, it won't line up right. You'd have to, pretty much, do a front end conversion.

Oh, the Silver Legacy is the one-and-only Pat Olsen's. I thought his car was pretty famous, but maybe not?

greg donovan · Post by **greg donovan** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:47 am

vrg3 wrote:
greg donovan wrote:on that note what would be a good source for projection beam headlamps?
Susquehanna Motorsports (rallylights.com) is a Hella dealer, and they carry the H9-based 90mm units, which are very good:

http://www.rallylights.com/hella/90mm_modules.asp

Be careful while browsing through their catalog for other stuff, though... they do have a lot of complete garbage mixed in with the good stuff, and they don't do a good job of indicating which is which.

forgot about them. they have some great stuff. using four of those and then the two fogs would be an awesome set up i bet.

what is the difference between the H7 and the H9? besides the H7 being twice the cost.

how would you even go about setting those up for a legacy i wonder?

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 7:28 am

miscomunication is our downfall phil.

BAC5.2 · Post by **BAC5.2** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 5:10 pm

THAWA wrote:miscomunication is our downfall phil.

As always, lol.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 9:03 pm

greg donovan wrote:using four of those and then the two fogs would be an awesome set up i bet.

Well, unless you're in really really bad fog and can't use your headlights, you'll probably find that those Hella 90mm low beams are perfectly good without fog lights.

what is the difference between the H7 and the H9? besides the H7 being twice the cost.

The difference between the bulbs?

The H7 is a 55-watt bulb with a metal base. The H9 is a 65-watt bulb with a plastic base. The H9 is extremely efficient. In fact, aside from HIR and HID light sources, it's got the highest output of any standard-wattage automotive bulb.

The difference between the Hella 90mm lamps?

The DOT version of the 90mm low beam uses an H9 bulb. They have a "Z-beam" beam pattern, with a cutoff kind of like this:

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The ECE version uses an H7 bulb and has a conventional ECE beam pattern, with a cutoff kind of like this:

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It can also be switched to an RHD pattern, so you can drive from France to the UK and just switch 'em over:

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ECE regulations place extra requirements on lamps that use H9 bulbs... H9 headlights have to have automatic levelers, for example, just like HID headlights. That's one reason Hella used H7 bulbs instead of H9s for their ECE version. You can actually get overwattage H7 bulbs with an output similar to H9 bulbs though.

Every low beam is a compromise. The Z-beam pattern is a different compromise from the conventional ECE pattern. As you might imagine, the Z-beam is a little better at shining further down the road, while the conventional ECE beam is a little better at lighting up stuff just off the edge of the road. Both are good. Way way way way better than 90-91 North American lights, and noticeably better than 92-94 North American Legacy headlights.

I don't know for sure, but I would guess that the H7 ECE high beam is probably a bit better than the H9 DOT high beam, despite the fact that the H9 is a much higher-output light source. European high beams are allowed to be a lot better than American high beams are.

how would you even go about setting those up for a legacy i wonder?

Wait for Steve to finish his prototype.

greg donovan · Post by **greg donovan** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:13 am

waiting has never been my strong point. what exactly is he doing? or is it a secret?

i find myself in some pretty bad snowstorms/blizzards alot so i would love to have some nice foul weather lights.

i had a 90 and i thought the lights were pretty good. thought they were better than my 95 and better than my 94. but the 94 lights are very yellowed so i will have to hit that up w/some sand paper.

evolutionmovement · Post by **evolutionmovement** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:30 am

Ahhh, the pressure!

I shouldn't have quit my other job so I could buy the lights sooner. Anyway, what I'm doing is sanding the flutes out of the inside of standard 90-91 headlights so I can modify the housings to accept the 90 mm Hellas. It's not too bad to get the meat of the flutes down, but it is taking FOREVER to get them smooth from there. If they only made a small belt sander ... The sissy Mouse and 3-circle Craftsman sander thing that looks sort of like a Norelco shaver even running 40 and 50 grit alloy/oxide I cut special sanding discs for (from a belt sander belt) takes forever. Lots of patience is needed, but the good thing is that I think they'll sand out pretty damn even. Once I finally get that squared off, I'll get the lights and mounting/adjusters and modify the headlight housings with fiberglass to fit them. Then maybe I'll paint the inside (no idea what color yet) and instal them.

You can always try it yourself if you like. The headlight lenses pry off easy after about 15 mins in the oven on maybe 170 or so degrees.

Steve

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