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Manarius wrote: I dare you to try to move my car with the e-brake on. I doubt you'll even be able to budge it.

I can pull my e-brake full on at 60mph and it makes no difference... good thing I know the guy that does inspections




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skid542 wrote:Manarius, your ebrake may be perfectly setup with a properly taught cable, fresh pads, etc. I can personally testify that a lot of other peoples cars, including mine, aren't that way and it will move with the ebrake on.

None of the stuff on there is new. All I know is, I pull it up about 9 clicks it will not move.

skid542 wrote:I was always taught that when you park, you set the ebrake securely while still in neutral and then put it in gear so that it's not tranny gears that are holding you but they are there as a backup should the brake fail. Granted when I bought my car the dealer hadn't bothered putting a new button the ebrake and just been letting 1st take care of holding the car.

Me too. I always put the e-brake on in neutral.

Manarius wrote:

skid542 wrote:Manarius, your ebrake may be perfectly setup with a properly taught cable, fresh pads, etc. I can personally testify that a lot of other peoples cars, including mine, aren't that way and it will move with the ebrake on.

None of the stuff on there is new. All I know is, I pull it up about 9 clicks it will not move.

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Steve, you're awesome.

Manarius, all I have to do is bump your car with mine and it'll move.

vrg3 wrote:Steve, you're awesome.

Manarius, all I have to do is bump your car with mine and it'll move.

It'll slide before the wheels move (Do not ask me how I can prove this)

Whatever.

I've made parking spaces in Boston by pushing cars with their brakes on. They move almost like they aren't there and we're talking 73HP GL 'power'. When in gear, they are harder to move as the wheels won't turn. I imagine that's not very good for the guy's transmission, but serves the prick right for taking up two spaces.

I use my handbrake for driving like a nut. If I didn't put it in gear my car would roll away. It won't even hold the car if the back faces the downhill.

Steve

I like to pull up the parking brake in my Nissan and then put it in drive and tap the gas to watch the rear of the car dip, then throw it in reverse to watch the ass raise up...

It make the minoritys think I have "switches."

(I tired like hell to stay PC on that last sentence)

evolutionmovement wrote:When in gear, they are harder to move as the wheels won't turn. I imagine that's not very good for the guy's transmission, but serves the prick right for taking up two spaces.

Steve, you never cease to be my hero.

This irritates me. Most parking lots are flat, and I would assume, due to wal-mart's expected clientele, that all of their parking lots would be exceptionally flat. So why would one need to leave the car in gear?

Don't tell me " 'Cuz someone could run into it and make it roll".

That's bullshit. If someone hits your car, that damage and any subsequent damage is legally and logically their fault.

I'm surprised many of you leave your cars in gear while parked on a flat surface.

Maybe there's a good reason for it? Someone enlighten me, please.

I live in the mountains, rarely am I ever parked on a flat surface, even in the big walmart parking lots and maybe about 5% of the town parking is flat.

ditto. Except there are no walmarts in Boulder.

Tristan - The question of who is at fault when a fender bender sends an improperly secured parked car over a child isn't the big concern, now, is it?

As has been explained in this thread, even when in tip-top shape the parking brake is not sufficient to ensure the car stay in place, and frequently it is not in tip-top shape; it is made up of several wear items.

In my experience most parking lots are not flat. It's hard to find an actually flat lot, and I've spent good time looking for them!

If you want a reason that doesn't revolve around social responsibility, here's one -- it's harder to steal your car with a tow truck if it's in gear.

I can show you a million flat parking lots in my state. Then again I can't show you too many hills.

For the record The only time I put my car in gear when parked is.....only when my e-brake doesn't work.

vrg3 wrote:Tristan - The question of who is at fault when a fender bender sends an improperly secured parked car over a child isn't the big concern, now, is it?

As has been explained in this thread, even when in tip-top shape the parking brake is not sufficient to ensure the car stay in place, and frequently it is not in tip-top shape; it is made up of several wear items.

In my experience most parking lots are not flat. It's hard to find an actually flat lot, and I've spent good time looking for them!

If you want a reason that doesn't revolve around social responsibility, here's one -- it's harder to steal your car with a tow truck if it's in gear.

Now that's an idea I can jump on board with! I'm on your side now.

>>>professor - Why would the direction of the incline matter? >>>Wouldn't it always be best to put it in the lowest-ratio gear >>>(which in our cars is 1st)?


I have scientifically determined that turning the extra shafts in the transmission when it is in reverse, especially when the tranny oil is cold, actually increases the friction to make overall resistance to rolling higher when facing downhill

actually the real truth is that's the way my Daddy taught me. You aren't calling my daddy a liar, are you

I'm just curious what your daddy's reasoning is.

OK I called my Dad and asked.

His well-considered and erudite reply:

"If the operator of said parked vehicle fails to change the position of the gear selector before attempting to take off, the penalty is much less if the car is in first facing uphill, or reverse facing downhill, since the unintended motion of said car will be counteracted by the force of gravity on the car, giving the operator time to recover from the error before plowing into the car parked directly in front, or in back, depending upon the situation"

Ah, yes, that makes sense... But aside from that, parking in reverse won't provide more resistance to rolling forwards than parking in 1st, right?

usually first and reverse ratios are pretty close. On some cars reverse is much lower but those tend to be old 3 and 4 speed cars where you could go 60 in first gear

it might be a fun test... roll down a hill intentionally in 1st and reverse, and see which is slower. It may depend upon how cold the tranny is if the ratios are really close

doesn't the engine have more resistance when it is turning backwards ? (just kidding)

Yeah, I might just give it a try by trying to tow my parked 5-speed with my auto... I can estimate the power required to move it by measuring the MAF sensor signal on the auto.

But, yeah, does the engine not have more resistance in one direction than the other? Does it matter that the valves are opening differently?

Hehe, this thread has now officially gone off topic.

skid542 wrote:Hehe, this thread has now officially gone off topic.

YEAH! this is the "misc" forum not the "ashtray" stay on topic suckers!!!




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In my opinion this is all info that pertains to this thread.

These are things we should know to avoid sending our cars off like unmanned rockets or watching them roll down a highway into on-coming traffic.

I'm personally glad we had this little talk.

Yeah, I don't think any of this is really off-topic, and it's my thread, so there!