legacycentral bbs

Okay, so I posted a while back about this issue, and had wagered that the
problem was in the master cylinder. I bought a remanufactured unit,
installed and the problem is exactly the same. Here are the symptoms:

Symptoms:
When pushing on the pedal, it's mushy and goes -way- down before engaging
the brakes noticably.
Sometimes I hear a grinding from the left front wheel, but often not.
If I 'double pump" the brake pedal, I get a nice firm pedal and the car
feels better when stopping.

What I have done:
Replaced the master cylinder with remanufactured one, bench bled until NO
BUBBELS. Bled the entire system with new brake fluid. I cannot find any
places that bubble could be hiding.

What now?
Could there be air pockets at the top of the ABS pulsator module?
I found a "splitter" that is mounted above the left front wheel well near
hood-level. Could there be air in there?
The pads don't look low. There's about 1/4" of pad left on each, but
maybe they are. Do these cars use riveted pad material or adhesive type
pad material? (riveted-type material clearly having less useful pad wear)

I'm at wit's end. What should I do next? =)
All help appreciated.
Chris

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What I would do is find someone or some place that could bleed the
system with a vacuum some of these systems are a little hard to bleed.
If the problem still exists it has to be a part but trouble shooting
things like can be difficult and expensive if you don't get the right
part the first time. With the grinding noise could you have a caliper
that is sticking and possibly getting the fluid hot?
AL(CO)



--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., Chris Chirdon <chirdon+@p...> wrote:
>
> Okay, so I posted a while back about this issue, and had wagered
that the
> problem was in the master cylinder. I bought a remanufactured unit,
> installed and the problem is exactly the same. Here are the
symptoms:
>
> Symptoms:
> When pushing on the pedal, it's mushy and goes -way- down before
engaging
> the brakes noticably.
> Sometimes I hear a grinding from the left front wheel, but often
not.
> If I 'double pump" the brake pedal, I get a nice firm pedal and
the car
> feels better when stopping.
>
> What I have done:
> Replaced the master cylinder with remanufactured one, bench bled
until NO
> BUBBELS. Bled the entire system with new brake fluid. I cannot
find any
> places that bubble could be hiding.
>
> What now?
> Could there be air pockets at the top of the ABS pulsator module?
> I found a "splitter" that is mounted above the left front wheel
well near
> hood-level. Could there be air in there?
> The pads don't look low. There's about 1/4" of pad left on each,
but
> maybe they are. Do these cars use riveted pad material or adhesive
type
> pad material? (riveted-type material clearly having less useful pad
wear)
>
> I'm at wit's end. What should I do next? =)
> All help appreciated.
> Chris


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ONE OTHER THING THAT YOU MIGHT CHECK IS THE SLIDE BOLT HOLES. I HAD THAT
HAPPEN TO MY HONDA CIVIC WHEN I HAD IT. ITS PROBABLLY NOT THE PROBLEM BUT
YOU MIGHT ALSO CHECK THE BOLTS THEM SELVES FOR WEAR. BREAKS HANDLE EXTREME
TEMPRATURES AND CAN CAUSE THINGS TO WARP UNDER HEAVY USE.
HOPE THAT HELPS.
IAN


>From: "milehial2000" <acroxford@hypermall.net>
>Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: 1993 Legacy Mushy Brakes #2
>Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 16:29:41 -0000
>
>What I would do is find someone or some place that could bleed the
>system with a vacuum some of these systems are a little hard to bleed.
>If the problem still exists it has to be a part but trouble shooting
>things like can be difficult and expensive if you don't get the right
>part the first time. With the grinding noise could you have a caliper
>that is sticking and possibly getting the fluid hot?
>AL(CO)
>
>
>
>--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., Chris Chirdon <chirdon+@p...> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, so I posted a while back about this issue, and had wagered
>that the
> > problem was in the master cylinder. I bought a remanufactured unit,
> > installed and the problem is exactly the same. Here are the
>symptoms:
> >
> > Symptoms:
> > When pushing on the pedal, it's mushy and goes -way- down before
>engaging
> > the brakes noticably.
> > Sometimes I hear a grinding from the left front wheel, but often
>not.
> > If I 'double pump" the brake pedal, I get a nice firm pedal and
>the car
> > feels better when stopping.
> >
> > What I have done:
> > Replaced the master cylinder with remanufactured one, bench bled
>until NO
> > BUBBELS. Bled the entire system with new brake fluid. I cannot
>find any
> > places that bubble could be hiding.
> >
> > What now?
> > Could there be air pockets at the top of the ABS pulsator module?
> > I found a "splitter" that is mounted above the left front wheel
>well near
> > hood-level. Could there be air in there?
> > The pads don't look low. There's about 1/4" of pad left on each,
>but
> > maybe they are. Do these cars use riveted pad material or adhesive
>type
> > pad material? (riveted-type material clearly having less useful pad
>wear)
> >
> > I'm at wit's end. What should I do next? =)
> > All help appreciated.
> > Chris
>




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Chris,
there is a sequence for bleeding the brakes:
it goes this way: first bleed the primary bleeder on the ABS unit - then the secondary bleeder on the ABS unit - then the right front wheel - then the left rear wheel - then the front left wheel - then the right rear wheel.
this may help.
cheers, Rod..... in oz
PS to find the primary bleeder on the ABS unit, look where all the pipes connect into the unit, looking at this from a front angle you will see 2 bleeders, left is secondary / right is primary.)

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Chirdon <mailto:chirdon+@pitt.edu>
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:43 AM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] 1993 Legacy Mushy Brakes #2


Okay, so I posted a while back about this issue, and had wagered that the
problem was in the master cylinder. I bought a remanufactured unit,
installed and the problem is exactly the same. Here are the symptoms:

Symptoms:
When pushing on the pedal, it's mushy and goes -way- down before engaging
the brakes noticably.
Sometimes I hear a grinding from the left front wheel, but often not.
If I 'double pump" the brake pedal, I get a nice firm pedal and the car
feels better when stopping.

What I have done:
Replaced the master cylinder with remanufactured one, bench bled until NO
BUBBELS. Bled the entire system with new brake fluid. I cannot find any
places that bubble could be hiding.

What now?
Could there be air pockets at the top of the ABS pulsator module?
I found a "splitter" that is mounted above the left front wheel well near
hood-level. Could there be air in there?
The pads don't look low. There's about 1/4" of pad left on each, but
maybe they are. Do these cars use riveted pad material or adhesive type
pad material? (riveted-type material clearly having less useful pad wear)

I'm at wit's end. What should I do next? =)
All help appreciated.
Chris


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Huh. I never even KNEW that the ABS unit would have to be bled. Many
thanks.

I did look, though, and couldn't find any bleeder valves. Could you
describe in more detail wjhere they are?

Many thanks,
Chris
Pittsburgh, PA - USA

--On Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:55 AM +1000 Rod <melrod@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:r

> Chris,
> there is a sequence for bleeding the brakes:
> it goes this way: first bleed the primary bleeder on the ABS unit -
> then the secondary bleeder on the ABS unit - then the right front wheel -
> then the left rear wheel - then the front left wheel - then the right
> rear wheel. this may help.
> cheers, Rod..... in oz
> PS to find the primary bleeder on the ABS unit, look where all the pipes
> connect into the unit, looking at this from a front angle you will see 2
> bleeders, left is secondary / right is primary.) ----- Original Message
> -----
> From: Chris Chirdon
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:43 AM
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] 1993 Legacy Mushy Brakes #2
>
>
>
> Okay, so I posted a while back about this issue, and had wagered that
> the problem was in the master cylinder. I bought a remanufactured
> unit, installed and the problem is exactly the same. Here are the
> symptoms:
>
> Symptoms:
> When pushing on the pedal, it's mushy and goes -way- down before
> engaging the brakes noticably.
> Sometimes I hear a grinding from the left front wheel, but often not.
> If I 'double pump" the brake pedal, I get a nice firm pedal and the
> car feels better when stopping.
>
> What I have done:
> Replaced the master cylinder with remanufactured one, bench bled
> until NO BUBBELS. Bled the entire system with new brake fluid. I
> cannot find any places that bubble could be hiding.
>
> What now?
> Could there be air pockets at the top of the ABS pulsator module?
> I found a "splitter" that is mounted above the left front wheel well
> near hood-level. Could there be air in there?
> The pads don't look low. There's about 1/4" of pad left on each, but
> maybe they are. Do these cars use riveted pad material or adhesive
> type pad material? (riveted-type material clearly having less useful
> pad wear)
>
> I'm at wit's end. What should I do next? =)
> All help appreciated.
> Chris
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You've got air in the system some place.

How are you bleeding your brakes? There is a certain procedure...or order....plus if you have a stubborn air pocket......you need to really get on the brakes and pump them......you'll have to do this several times. I'm not really sure about how to bleed the ABS, someone else may be able to steer you in the right direction.

Let us know how you are bleeding the brakes.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Chirdon [mailto:chirdon+@pitt.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:44 AM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] 1993 Legacy Mushy Brakes #2



Okay, so I posted a while back about this issue, and had wagered that the
problem was in the master cylinder. I bought a remanufactured unit,
installed and the problem is exactly the same. Here are the symptoms:

Symptoms:
When pushing on the pedal, it's mushy and goes -way- down before engaging
the brakes noticably.
Sometimes I hear a grinding from the left front wheel, but often not.
If I 'double pump" the brake pedal, I get a nice firm pedal and the car
feels better when stopping.

What I have done:
Replaced the master cylinder with remanufactured one, bench bled until NO
BUBBELS. Bled the entire system with new brake fluid. I cannot find any
places that bubble could be hiding.

What now?
Could there be air pockets at the top of the ABS pulsator module?
I found a "splitter" that is mounted above the left front wheel well near
hood-level. Could there be air in there?
The pads don't look low. There's about 1/4" of pad left on each, but
maybe they are. Do these cars use riveted pad material or adhesive type
pad material? (riveted-type material clearly having less useful pad wear)

I'm at wit's end. What should I do next? =)
All help appreciated.
Chris


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Removed old master cyl. Bench bled new unit until there was NO air.

Installed the Master cyl, undoubtedly got some air in the lines during
installation.

Bleed (with friend on the brake) , unsure of order now, but I followed
someone's order from a previous e-mail, I think it was front left, then
right rear, then front right, then left rear. I forget now.

ANyhoo, I got some -teeny- air bubbles from bleeding in the right rear,
but nowhere else. And nothing of any great amount, either. I used nearly
a whole bottle (one of the -big- ones, about 1' high) of Valvoline Dot4
fluid.

Then I called it done. I'm going to check the ABS unit, and see how to
bleed it. I'm just stumped. I've bled many cars in my life, and this is
the only one to ever give me a problem. And on the others, I never paid
ANY attention to order, and always came up with a firm pedal. Now, when I
do it according to the book, I can't get it right. =)

I laugh at my own stupidity. =)
Help.

Chris


--On Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:29 AM -0500 Josh Colombo
<josh@surrealmirage.com> wrote:r

> You've got air in the system some place.
>
> How are you bleeding your brakes? There is a certain procedure...or
> order....plus if you have a stubborn air pocket......you need to really
> get on the brakes and pump them......you'll have to do this several
> times. I'm not really sure about how to bleed the ABS, someone else may
> be able to steer you in the right direction.
>
> Let us know how you are bleeding the brakes.
>
> ************************************
> Josh Colombo
> Josh@surrealmirage.com <mailto:Josh@surrealmirage.com>
>
> "Life, an ever-changing melody
> of beats and rhythm" - ME
> ************************************
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Chirdon [mailto:chirdon+@pitt.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:44 AM
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] 1993 Legacy Mushy Brakes #2
>
>
>
> Okay, so I posted a while back about this issue, and had wagered that the
> problem was in the master cylinder. I bought a remanufactured unit,
> installed and the problem is exactly the same. Here are the symptoms:
>
> Symptoms:
> When pushing on the pedal, it's mushy and goes -way- down before
> engaging the brakes noticably.
> Sometimes I hear a grinding from the left front wheel, but often not.
> If I 'double pump" the brake pedal, I get a nice firm pedal and the car
> feels better when stopping.
>
> What I have done:
> Replaced the master cylinder with remanufactured one, bench bled until
> NO BUBBELS. Bled the entire system with new brake fluid. I cannot
> find any places that bubble could be hiding.
>
> What now?
> Could there be air pockets at the top of the ABS pulsator module?
> I found a "splitter" that is mounted above the left front wheel well
> near hood-level. Could there be air in there?
> The pads don't look low. There's about 1/4" of pad left on each, but
> maybe they are. Do these cars use riveted pad material or adhesive type
> pad material? (riveted-type material clearly having less useful pad wear)
>
> I'm at wit's end. What should I do next? =)
> All help appreciated.
> Chris
>
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I would look into the ABS! I would see if you could find a hand held
vacuum pump (very handy, brakes is not the only thing you will use it
for). $.02 Dan


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