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Subtle · Post by **Subtle** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:56 pm

Help---- it is snowing on the daffodils.

In Vancouver on March 10---where is global warming when you really need it

Yukonart · Post by **Yukonart** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:45 pm

Subtle wrote:Help---- it is snowing on the daffodils.

In Vancouver on March 10---where is global warming when you really need it

Didn't you ever see "Day After Tomorrow"? We ARE seeing the effects of global warming.

206er · Post by **206er** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:33 pm

you should be happy, get out there and start rallying.

AWD_addict · Post by **AWD_addict** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:52 pm

Rain, sleet, snow, sun, wind, clouds, repeat. This half assed weather never leaves enough snow on the ground.

Splinter · Post by **Splinter** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:28 pm

AWD_addict wrote:Rain, sleet, snow, sun, wind, clouds, repeat. This half assed weather never leaves enough snow on the ground.

+1

I wish it would just do one or the other.

Richard · Post by **Richard** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:53 pm

Global warming is to weather as "the magic bullet" is to Kennedy's assasination.

We, as humans, can only wish to be able to control the climate. We have at most 130 years of weather records, much of it innacurate. Such a small amount of information in the scope of this planet's history cannot yield accurate results. It's like taking a national opinion study by using seven people. The weather's gonna change for as long as we live. We're all here for the ride.

wiscon_mark · Post by **wiscon_mark** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:32 am

It's about 50 degrees here. I'm loving it, my throttle response is way up, and my tranny shifts like a dream

206er · Post by **206er** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:46 am

Richard wrote:Global warming is to weather as "the magic bullet" is to Kennedy's assasination.

We, as humans, can only wish to be able to control the climate. We have at most 130 years of weather records, much of it innacurate. Such a small amount of information in the scope of this planet's history cannot yield accurate results. It's like taking a national opinion study by using seven people. The weather's gonna change for as long as we live. We're all here for the ride.

In a class a couple years ago, we had a guest lecturer who was reknowned scientist in whatever the study of weather is called(climatology?). after the class, I asked him about the very argument you are making, and he said that humans most definitely are making a small impact on the climate. he explained it to me in detail but of course I dont remember hardly any of what he said.

Imprezive · Post by **Imprezive** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:15 am

I control the weather with a magic school bus. pshhh

Manarius · Post by **Manarius** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:54 am

Heh....it got up to 72 here. Tied a record.

72 in PA in March like never happens.

Subtle · Post by **Subtle** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:44 am

The climate has been warming since the "Little Ice Age " that reached ist coldest in the late 1600s.

It is now about as warm as it was in the late 1200s, so our existance has not been the "cause" of global warming. Acually, temps have been going up since the end of the last Ice Age some 12,000 years ago.

Richard · Post by **Richard** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:32 am

If someone has convinced themselves that something is true, they'll convince you just by their sincerity. Just ask any former cult member who didn't drink the kool-aid. There was a doctor in South Korea that had everyone amazed with his stem-cell study. A few years later, he admits he's full of beans. Almost EVERYONE was convinced that what he said was true because his presentation was so convincing. There's just as many opinions for global warming as there are against it.

Yes, the planet seems to be getting warmer. Which is causing it to get cooler. With all the influences that take place within and outside Earth's atmosphere, it could ONLY be gas guzzling SUV's. Not the fact that we've been dealing with increased solar output. Not to mention the fact that every time a major volcano erupts, more particulate and gases are emitted into the atmosphere than ALL THE EMISSIONS FROM AUTOMOBILES SINCE THE DAY THEY WERE INVENTED COMBINED. Unchecked coal fires in North Korea? Nah. Giant forest fires in Russia/Siberia? Couldn't be. Its gotta be that GMC.

Maybe the fact that there's more and more humans on this planet every year. All that hot air must be adding to the equation. The polar ice caps are melting. Can anyone explain how all that freshwater ice got there in the first place? It must've been pretty cold when it happened. We'll just blame Haliburton or Carrot Top for now. We have theories, but no proof, of why all of this is happening. Nobody's bothered to write down what the thermometer was at for the last million or two years. If somebody had, wouldn't it be possible that all we're seeing now is just a cycle? Or stuff like this happened all the time? Or did it just start getting warm when Model T's and Studebakers began roaming the Earth?

This planet, as far as I'm concerned, is the single most wonderous system known. Resiliant, regenerative, tolerant, this planet doesn't teeter on what we choose to drive, what we eat, how we feel, who we're at war with, what treaty we sign or don't sign, or even exotic butterflies.

Call me skeptical, but the case hasn't been made well enough for me to say "yes, it's most definitely global warming". I refuse to believe anyone's "truth" or "facts" when there is an underlying motive at play. It is irresponsible to coin a term or phrase to blame for something we don't like or cannot control. (Remember when Hillary used the term "vast right wing conspiracy" to explain why Billy Boy's baby batter ended up on that blue dress?) I prefer the term "climate change" to explain what is happening. We're all here for the ride. We'll all learn to cope with the minor changes as they come. We'll all continue to live our petty lives. (Not to say anyone's life is petty, all life is precious, we're just talking grand scale here.) We'll be ok as long as we don't nuke ourselves into oblivion. And if we do, I'm pretty sure it will just be another phase in Earth's history.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, they are not entitled to their own facts." - The late Senator Daniel Patrick Moinahan

LaureltheQueen · Post by **LaureltheQueen** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:00 am

It was thundery and lightningy today while I was at work. I get really excited and a bit geeky over thunderstorms, and I couldn't stop grinning like a shithead

Splinter · Post by **Splinter** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:36 am

Whether or not pollution is contributing to global warming, it still fucks us over in lots of other ways.

Keep those cats in your cars, folks.

NICO · Post by **NICO** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:47 am

^^ no way i am putting cats back on my car, flames clean out my muff real nice.

if global warming is comeing thats ok i am going right to the north pole anyways, i will be safe in my igloo. its all ways one temp where i am going cold like a mother-----

Splinter · Post by **Splinter** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:50 am

NICO I WRX U wrote:^^ no way i am putting cats back on my car, falmes clean out my muff real nice.

Luckily you're down the jetstream from me

tris91ricer · Post by **tris91ricer** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:58 am

Better to live cool than to die uncool. You're only here once, guys. Whaddya wanna do?

NICO · Post by **NICO** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:06 am

i heard california had snow and it was cold LOL hahahhaha.

206er · Post by **206er** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:26 am

Richard wrote:We're all here for the ride. We'll all learn to cope with the minor changes as they come. We'll all continue to live our petty lives. (Not to say anyone's life is petty, all life is precious, we're just talking grand scale here.) We'll be ok as long as we don't nuke ourselves into oblivion. And if we do, I'm pretty sure it will just be another phase in Earth's history.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, they are not entitled to their own facts." - The late Senator Daniel Patrick Moinahan

I agree with what you are saying. the doings of humans as a species are insignificant compared to all the changes of the earth through time. though maybe our doings are not insignificant to ourselves. No doubt we will adapt, but at what cost? I dont rule out that in some very small way the things we are doing to the earth are having an effect. especially when it is affirmed by a scientist who knows far more about it than you or I, and I am sure he was well aware of all the arguments regarding increasing temps from the past ice ages and the level at which humans have been polluting. what would you consider to be his "underlying motive" for making an emphatic statement?
what is the difference between the catchphrases "global warming" and "climate change" anyway? if there is a change it is either warming or cooling, eh? after all theyre just words. FWIW known weather records are not the only way of determining past climate trends.
the true implications of our effects on the world remain to be fully understood, and I doubt they will be in our lifetime. Though you cannot deny what we have done to our fresh water supply, the ozone layer, petroleum reserves, etc.
funny how these threads just go crazy off topic huh?
I'm not putting cats back onto my car until china does.

Manarius · Post by **Manarius** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:50 pm

My science teacher three years ago said Global Warming doesn't exist...I believe him

Subtle · Post by **Subtle** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:00 pm

In biblical times the control freaks invented the notion of Original Sin to impose control.

Today's control freaks have taken a natural phenomenon --the warming trends between ice ages--and invented the notion that modern behaviour is "causing" the warming. Then government has a "cause" to impose controls upon society.

The point made in my original post was that the climate is now just as warm as it was in the 13th century, in which case -- that our life style
is "causing" global warming is one of the greatest lies in history.

wiscon_mark · Post by **wiscon_mark** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:03 pm

I don't believe that global warming is a lie. It just hasn't happened all at once, like armageddon, so people believe it is

It's effects may not be terribly apparent now, but we're only lifting pollution regulations, and buying more V8 cars, and that can't be helping.

Who knows what is in store, but not taking care of the earth is a terrible idea, no matter what you "anti-consipracy" theorists believe.

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:58 pm

I really wouldn't worry too much about global warming. It's not going to cause any Day after Tomorrow situation.

Do you know why I say this? Because I'm guessing that in 50 years, we won't be polluting the earth anymore with the burning of fossil fuels, because... WE'LL BE OUT OF THEM ENTIRELY!

I've read in more than one place that we'll have used 50% of the known resources of petroluem by 2012 or something like that. Figure in the fact that we keep growing in numbers and our rate of consumption of petroleum has to increase with it, we're going to run out within the next century, for 100% sure.

wiscon_mark · Post by **wiscon_mark** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:05 pm

^^^very true, I think we'll run out before we can seriously pollute the earth...however, the oil resources seem to be "replenished" in a sense, because Alberta Canada has newly discovered oil reserves that overshadow Saudi Arabia. However, I don't think that's necessarily a good thing...

LaureltheQueen · Post by **LaureltheQueen** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:22 pm

I'm catless. Mostly because I'm a hippy hating republican.

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