Talk technical to me.

[Legacy Konig]

At the end of the month I'll be having the resonator on my N/A 2.2 removed, and from that flange back will be 2 1/4 inch piping leading to a sporty muffler.

I already have a nice intake.

The question-

I want that throaty sound Subarus are known for, I want the tone of the exhaust deep and low, like I said- throaty.

So all you tell me what you know, give me feedback about your own exhausts.

I want specifics on these mufflers, details.

Is there any brand known for a throaty sound?

Everyone put in their two cents, thank you.

[speedmaxx]

I got a dynomax on my NA 93 legacy and it shounds good. Not realy loud but a nice deep rumble at lower rpm's. plus it was only like $80.

I do still have the resonator in though but I plan on getting rid of it soon.

[Legacy777]

Just putting on the MRT axleback when I was non-turbo gave a nice deep sound. I actually had more drone at highway speed with that setup than I do now with the CES

[Legacy Konig]

MRT huh, I'll remember that.

Do you think not having the resonator will deepen the tone at all, or just make it raspy?

[Lunatech]

MRT huh, I'll remember that.

I PITY THE FOOL THAT FORGETS IT!!

[Legacy Konig]

I just hadn't thought of MRT for a muffler.

[Dynamic Entry]

a good piece back someone posted a video of their magnaflow muffler*EDIT it was the FLOWMASTER*. I remember it because it was the only one that I have ever thought beat the CES exhaust note.

not sure about N/A exhaust dynamics sorry....

[Mattheww044]

I went to a local muffler shop and had him take off all of my heat shields, and put on a V-force muffler (knock-off of Magnaflow), and it sounded great, still was slow as all hell though...
This was in my first car, 93 5MT N/A Wagon

[206er]

flowmaster 40 series

but seriously, screw loud cars. fun for like 10 minutes. always having to look over your shoulder for the piggies before you gun it, having your ears feel like their bleeding on road trips etc. get a wrx or sti stock cat back and rework the hangers. oem quality stainless steel, 2.25 or 2.5 pipe, good flow.

[asc_up]

+1 on that. Not to mention the exhaust law in this state. I've been pulled over 6 times in the past two years for my exhaust being too loud. I was able to talk my way out of all, but one.

My suggestion (and I'm about to go this route as well) is to keep it stock and then install an exhaust cut-out. That way you can have a completely open, loud exhaust when you want/need it and a completely stock, quiet exhaust when you want/need it.

http://www.quicktimeperformance.com/QTEC/index.php

[Mattheww044]

it all depends on what you want. me personally, I absolutely love the sound of a 3" catless/resonatorless (if thats a word ) TBE on a subaru. It may attract some attention, but I plan on putting a dual tip muffler at the end instead of a huge CAN lol

[Legacy Konig]

Alright good stuff, good stuff. I like what I'm hearin'.

a good piece back someone posted a video of their magnaflow muffler. I remember it because it was the only one that I have ever thought beat the CES exhaust note.

not sure about N/A exhaust dynamics sorry....

-Legacy777 and Dynamic Entry, this CES you guys are talking about, is this the Austrailian company that I know of? Do they sell through U.S. retailers?

I went to a local muffler shop and had him take off all of my heat shields

Would it really be good to remove all of the heat shields? I know a few of those spots next to the gas tank I might be a little nervous to strip.

206er Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:59 pm Post subject:

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flowmaster 40 series

but seriously, screw loud cars. fun for like 10 minutes. always having to look over your shoulder for the piggies before you gun it, having your ears feel like their bleeding on road trips etc. get a wrx or sti stock cat back and rework the hangers. oem quality stainless steel, 2.25 or 2.5 pipe, good flow.

Dang 206, I hadn't thought of that. That's actually a pretty cool thought! I wouldn't want to go any bigger then 2 1/4, I know I'd lose velocity with anything bigger. Maybe I coud find an older Impreza, or maybe I should look at '02ish WRXs. Interesting man.

My suggestion (and I'm about to go this route as well) is to keep it stock and then install an exhaust cut-out. That way you can have a completely open, loud exhaust when you want/need it and a completely stock, quiet exhaust when you want/need it.

asc_up that's definately a neat project, but I can't be that loud. I remember I drove around for about three months a few years ago without a muffler on my old Subaru, after a while it became two much. But if it was a cut-out that would've been different. But I don't want to be that loud when I'm driving fast, I'm on the backroads consistently, and noisy cars makes you hot fast. Trust.

All you guys know how the Legacys come stock with the dual tip muffler. I was kind of thinking it'd be cool to find a perfomance dual tip muffler, so it keeps that aspect of the older Legacy, but at the same time has the performance, the flow. The new hotness!

Thank you guys.

[evolutionmovement]

Removing the heat shields won't affect the sound unless they're rattling. I'm doing the same thing with a dual tip to keep the stock look, but the exit pipes will be as large as the chrome finishers that always fall off.

[Mattheww044]

well yea, I should've mentioned thats why I removed them, was because they were rattling. I was just stating what all was done when I went to the muffler shop.

I just remembered that you are running an N/A, so personally I would just go to your local muffler shop and have one of their "cheap-o" ones put on if money is tight. I had an Sti catback on my old Sport Sedan and it wasn't loud enough, so I had my muffler guy put that V-force muffler on and kept the "Sti" tip

[Dynamic Entry]

this CES you guys are talking about, is this the Austrailian company that I know of? Do they sell through U.S. retailers?

First of all I need to amend my above post. It was indeed the Flowmaster that I was remembering, not the Magnaflow.


And yes the CES stands for Custom Exhaust Systems which is a company in Australia.

3 years ago when I bought mine they had NO retailers in North America. I haven't checked but I don't expect this would have changed since then.

I consider my CES exhaust to be worth more than my complete engine.





And don't be worried about removing the heat shields.

[Mattheww044]

Well I wasn't worried about it, but rattling is quite annoying. or were you implying that its not a hazard to fuel tank, etc. to remove them?

[AWD_addict]

I want that throaty sound Subarus are known for, I want the tone of the exhaust deep and low, like I said- throaty.

The sound that Subarus are typically known for is because of the unequal-length exhaust manifold on turbo models. NA cars have a completely different exhaust manifold, so you won't get the "boxer burble" from any sort of muffler. Don't be disappointed that it doesn't sound like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O9uXh17Fhk

[Legacy Konig]

First off Dynamic Entry, those are some very nice pictures of your exhaust. Very nice set up. It's not that money's too tight, I just don't know if I could afford a complete cat-back setup. So I was thinking just delete the resonator and run the piping from that flange back.

The sound that Subarus are typically known for is because of the unequal-length exhaust manifold on turbo models. NA cars have a completely different exhaust manifold, so you won't get the "boxer burble" from any sort of muffler. Don't be disappointed that it doesn't sound like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O9uXh17Fhk

AWD- Oh yes, I'm fully aware of the unequal headers causing the boat motor rumble. My '94 n/a may not have a turbo, but it certainly has unequal exhaust heads. In fact the Legacy had uneual exhaust heads before the stI was even an Impreza.
It won't have a cool turbo spool, or blow off valve "wi-chi!"

But I will have the cool Subaru sound you're saying I won't. I'm not puting equal-length headers on, just a resonator back piping and muffler. That will most definately deepen and space out those exhaust notes some.

My boxer will, burble.

[Legacy777]

Here's some more pics of the CES exhaust

http://main.experiencetherave.com/subar ... s/ej22t/25

If you're non-turbo, just get a muffler put on, magnaflow or whatever. It will make it sound better

[asc_up]

AWD isn't wrong. The N/A Legacy didn't have completely equal length headers, but they were close to it. The turbos have 'more' unequal length headers than the N/A's do.

They DO sound different, I've owned both cars with aftermarket exhausts, so I speak from experience.

[Legacy Konig]

Dang 777, that is a nicely put together setup. Hand-crafted by the Australians lol, they've got Whiteline and CES, they're doing something right.

And I was sayin' AWD was wrong. But I know I can go crouch down behind my Subie right now, and listen to it's waffley exhaust. I realize that if it had equal length headers it'd sound like any other 4-cylinder. So being that mine does waffle, it does have the Subie sound- and I'm looking to enhance that sound.

I know I can't reach that patented stI burble, but I can modify what I have.

[asc_up]

Right. I'm not saying that it's COMPLETELY equal length, but it's no where near as unequal as a turbo header.

[kleinkid]

CES=Custom Exhaust Specialists. Last word is not Systems. Might make a difference if you are searching for them.

www.cesracing.com.au

[Legacy Konig]

Alright asc, I'll give ya that lol.

Specialists. Gratci.

[Dynamic Entry]

huhn.... I'm surprised that I forgot what CES stands for. Good on 'ya Mr. Kid

(although this is a bit of a throwoff the scent type move on their part)