Can my legacy be considered "rare"?

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Can my legacy be considered "rare"?

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Hey yall,
Well, I acquired my 91 legacy wagon a few months ago. I picked it up for cheap, as I was looking for a beater daily driver. I hadn't done much research except knowing that these cars can be reliable and good in snow/rain being a 4wd and all. However, one real downside was the fuel economy on these cars which are not that great. Now, my question is, my wagon had ABS and something called electronic height control but that's no more because the previous owner took it out and replaced it with conventional struts. Is this rare? The wagon also comes with power sunroof. Anyone else owns similar model?
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If it still had the height control and worked you could kind of call it that. I only know of one person that has it in his wagon, JP233. As for the fuel economy I would check the usual stuff to make sure theybare in working order. I get 30mpg highway with 267,000 miles and I take it to the drag strip and yave fun with. Granted it is Fwd, 5spd, and a sedan but yea I love these cars.
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Back in the early 90s, the Japanese were doing a lot of experimenting with technology on the new cars then. Hence, you saw the cars like the mitsu 3000gt that came with twin turbos, active aero spoiler, 4 wheel steering, and what not. I do wish that my wagon still had the electronic height control but sadly that's not the case. I do believe that it was some type of active suspension where the struts or springs can raise or lower the car depending on how fast it is traveling. It was also cockpit adjustable which was really cool. Wish i could've played around with that if it's still in the car. However, I do have ABS which I believe to be quite rare for those first gen legacy. Does anyone think if it's even feasible to return the car back to its original state with the electronic height control? Personally, I think it's gonna be a lot of hassle but it's fun just dreaming abt it....lol.........your car being a FWD and manual already makes it getting better gas mileage compared to the auto trans and AWD.......i'm getting around 20 in all conditions.
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Re: Can my legacy be considered "rare"?

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The electronic height control is a type of air suspension available only on first gen legacy wagon with 4wd and auto trans. Apparently, not a very popular option and thus not many were sold. Thus, the rare part can be valid....lol
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I saw a '93 or '94 LS wagon in the junkyard last week with what looked like fairly new air struts and a sunroof and other luxury features, like the factory CD player option. The air suspension probably still worked (rebuilt or new air struts were on it), but the car had 490,000 miles and the rear quarters were really rusty.
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The concept was cool and when it works it ok. You could put 700lbs in the rear and the car would level it self out,as for mine the air bags blew out and the replacements are very expensive so I went to more common spring type struts.
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Self leveling suspension was still in its infancy back then. It was proved unpopular with most buyers and subaru dropped the option after first gen. They never brought it back, correct? Ah, let's just stick to struts and springs.
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All the first gens after 90 have ABS. My 90 doesn't have it but my 91 does, both have sunroofs as well. Just like all after 92? Have airbags
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Sorry to get off the subject but I believe abs wasn't standard option tell later. My 90 has them and I've owned 97 that did not. But I did like my climate control and heated seats in my 91.
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SILINC3R wrote:All the first gens after 90 have ABS. My 90 doesn't have it but my 91 does, both have sunroofs as well. Just like all after 92? Have airbags
my 91 n/a awd 5spd did not have abs from the factory
the usdm 92ss i had did not have steering wheel airbag either but my 92tw from canada does.
my 92 LS wagon with airbag suspension had an airbag in the steering wheel, oh and a sunroof to.

the airbag suspension did not change depending on speed. it was an on/off kinda button.
when its off the car sat at normal height, when u turn it on, the car jacked up like a truck. you can do this while driving... (it was pretty fun when i had it)

depends on what people in the early 90s ordered as options since dealers gave the public more options to choose from to keep the cost of the car down or fully load the car with all options.
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Steering wheel airbag was optional in '92 (but not available on Sport Sedan in the US), mandatory in '93 and '94.

ABS was optional in '90 but only available on 4EAT cars. It was standard on everything better than an "L" model in '91-'94, but L model cars were still non-ABS unless you got the Value Equipment Group which included ABS.
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We need a like button on this forum...haha.
Good post Alphius. This is why this forum is awesome.
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Thanks!

As an aside, that means you could only get a factory black non-airbag center console tray from a '92 Turbo car. They were the only year with black interior and no airbag. And black interior was only available on Turbo vehicles.

I am still on the lookout for one of these center console pieces: they are discontinued from the dealer, I know, I tried to order one a couple months back. :P I am still kicking myself for not snagging it from my '92 turbo wagon before I sold it as a parts car.
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My 91 has black non airbag console.
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Interesting. My documentation shows that in '91 the only available interior color for an SS is gray. In fact, black was unavailable on all models in '91. I wonder if someone put a '92 console in yours?

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weird, i took out the black center console from the 91ss and put it in my 93ss since i dont have airbags anymore.
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ABS was never made standard on first gen legacys, thought I correct someone who mentioned that. It's only standard on certain high end legacy but optional on others I think. I don't think u can find ABS on the base model, though. Air suspension only found on 4wd wagon legacy with auto transmission. Drivers side airbag on made standard in 1993 due to federal requirements. I don't think u can find it on 92 as an option, but correct me if i'm wrong.
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my 92 wagon has abs no air bags black interior but no air suspension
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all this back and forth trying to figure out what cars came with what is going no where. you guys have to remember different regions of the country got different options in different part of the country. it all depends on where you live and what the car companies gave you as far as options. like the west coast got different options than the east coast. all depends on where you live.
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Alphius wrote:Steering wheel airbag was optional in '92 (but not available on Sport Sedan in the US), mandatory in '93 and '94.

ABS was optional in '90 but only available on 4EAT cars. It was standard on everything better than an "L" model in '91-'94, but L model cars were still non-ABS unless you got the Value Equipment Group which included ABS.
What I stated above was true country-wide for Legacys.
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Mines a 90 wagon 5 speed with abs with premium wheel package,It's only L model.
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rallyak wrote:Mines a 90 wagon 5 speed with abs with premium wheel package,It's only L model.
OK, guess my source is wrong. :) Or yours was a Canadian car, or possibly swapped for a 5-speed at some point in it's life? Yours is the first proof I have seen of that being wrong.
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I'm the third owner, and it was bought at the only dealer in anchorage. I have the original sales receipt dated 4-23-90 and reads (4wd L 5sp abs sw). I bought it when the odo was at 80k, I'm sure it's legit.
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Its kinda like the rumors of how many ss legacy's are really out there.
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Honestly.....does it really matter what came with what and who's got what? :)
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