lightened flywheel???

mike p. · Post by **mike p.** » Mon Oct 22, 2001 9:18 pm

ok, i know people use lightened pulleys on subys but how about a
lightened flywheel? anyone know anyone that makes them for a suby?
to be more specific a 92 subaru legacy turbo(us spec. auto
slushbox). would it be worth it?

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Josh Colombo · Post by **Josh Colombo** » Mon Oct 22, 2001 9:25 pm

By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin you have an automatic tranny. Auto's do not have flywheels. They use the torque converter as a rotational damper which gives and takes the intermittent energy pulses from the engine and smoothes it out...basically does the same thing as flywheel in that sense.

Josh

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Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???

ok, i know people use lightened pulleys on subys but how about a
lightened flywheel? anyone know anyone that makes them for a suby?
to be more specific a 92 subaru legacy turbo(us spec. auto
slushbox). would it be worth it?

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jason grahn · Post by **jason grahn** » Mon Oct 22, 2001 9:51 pm

If you did have a manual, you'd be able to get a lightened flywheel from
Primitive Enterprises (http://www.get-primitive.com) or Fidanza; i think Jun
makes one as well.

-Jason

>From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@psu.edu>
>Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???
>Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47 -0500
>
>By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin you have an automatic tranny.
>Auto's do not have flywheels. They use the torque converter as a
>rotational damper which gives and takes the intermittent energy pulses
>from the engine and smoothes it out...basically does the same thing as
>flywheel in that sense.
>
>Josh
>
>************************************
>Josh Colombo
>jcc189@psu.edu <mailto:jcc189@psu.edu>
>
>"Life, an ever-changing melody
> of beats and rhythm" - ME
>************************************
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mike p. [mailto:ob1poor@yahoo.com]
>Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:18 PM
>To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???
>
>
>ok, i know people use lightened pulleys on subys but how about a
>lightened flywheel? anyone know anyone that makes them for a suby?
>to be more specific a 92 subaru legacy turbo(us spec. auto
>slushbox). would it be worth it?
>
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mike p. · Post by **mike p.** » Mon Oct 22, 2001 10:12 pm

yeah ya know what? i honestly(no seriously) didn't think auto's had
a flywheel then i got to thinking(that's what threw me) and i
remember this guy i used to hang out with said he had to have a new
flywheel put in his bronco(also an auto) because he broke some teeth
on it or something so i checked my haynes manual(yup misled again)
and from what i understood from it the autos along with the manuals
had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i was all happy thinking i was going to
get some quicker revs....

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn" <jgrahn555@h...> wrote:
> If you did have a manual, you'd be able to get a lightened flywheel
from
> Primitive Enterprises (http://www.get-primitive.com) or Fidanza; i
think Jun
> makes one as well.
>
> -Jason
>
>
> >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???
> >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47 -0500
> >
> >By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin you have an automatic tranny.
> >Auto's do not have flywheels. They use the torque converter as a
> >rotational damper which gives and takes the intermittent energy
pulses
> >from the engine and smoothes it out...basically does the same
thing as
> >flywheel in that sense.
> >
> >Josh
> >
> >************************************
> >Josh Colombo
> >jcc189@p... <mailto:jcc189@p...>
> >
> >"Life, an ever-changing melody
> > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> >************************************
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: mike p. [mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:18 PM
> >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???
> >
> >
> >ok, i know people use lightened pulleys on subys but how about a
> >lightened flywheel? anyone know anyone that makes them for a suby?
> >to be more specific a 92 subaru legacy turbo(us spec. auto
> >slushbox). would it be worth it?
> >
> >
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acroxford@hypermall.net · Mon Oct 22, 2001 10:35 pm

The auto's use the torque converters housing for a flywheel there have
been light weight torque converters made but I don't know if one is
made for a Suby. I have a chromoly 12lb flywheel and the engine does
rev quite a bit faster and I would imagine that the hp used to turn
the 26lb stock flywheel is mine now.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> yeah ya know what? i honestly(no seriously) didn't think auto's had
> a flywheel then i got to thinking(that's what threw me) and i
> remember this guy i used to hang out with said he had to have a new
> flywheel put in his bronco(also an auto) because he broke some teeth
> on it or something so i checked my haynes manual(yup misled again)
> and from what i understood from it the autos along with the manuals
> had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i was all happy thinking i was going to
> get some quicker revs....
>
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn" <jgrahn555@h...> wrote:
> > If you did have a manual, you'd be able to get a lightened
flywheel
> from
> > Primitive Enterprises (http://www.get-primitive.com) or Fidanza; i
> think Jun
> > makes one as well.
> >
> > -Jason
> >
> >
> > >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???
> > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47 -0500
> > >
> > >By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin you have an automatic tranny.
> > >Auto's do not have flywheels. They use the torque converter as a
> > >rotational damper which gives and takes the intermittent energy
> pulses
> > >from the engine and smoothes it out...basically does the same
> thing as
> > >flywheel in that sense.
> > >
> > >Josh
> > >
> > >************************************
> > >Josh Colombo
> > >jcc189@p... <mailto:jcc189@p...>
> > >
> > >"Life, an ever-changing melody
> > > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > >************************************
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: mike p. [mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:18 PM
> > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???
> > >
> > >
> > >ok, i know people use lightened pulleys on subys but how about a
> > >lightened flywheel? anyone know anyone that makes them for a
suby?
> > >to be more specific a 92 subaru legacy turbo(us spec. auto
> > >slushbox). would it be worth it?
> > >
> > >
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mike p. · Post by **mike p.** » Mon Oct 22, 2001 11:08 pm

so essentially i'd be looking for a lightened torque converter for my
scooby eh? well, ok. i think i can live with that, just have to do
some more searchin'. i'm not really worried about gaining any hp off
the deal just quicker revs, but the hp wouldn't hurt either:)
meanwhile if anyone digs anything up and thinks about it i'd like to
know. thanks guys.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., acroxford@h... wrote:
> The auto's use the torque converters housing for a flywheel there
have
> been light weight torque converters made but I don't know if one
is
> made for a Suby. I have a chromoly 12lb flywheel and the engine
does
> rev quite a bit faster and I would imagine that the hp used to turn
> the 26lb stock flywheel is mine now.
>
>
>
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> > yeah ya know what? i honestly(no seriously) didn't think auto's
had
> > a flywheel then i got to thinking(that's what threw me) and i
> > remember this guy i used to hang out with said he had to have a
new
> > flywheel put in his bronco(also an auto) because he broke some
teeth
> > on it or something so i checked my haynes manual(yup misled
again)
> > and from what i understood from it the autos along with the
manuals
> > had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i was all happy thinking i was going
to
> > get some quicker revs....
> >
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn" <jgrahn555@h...>
wrote:
> > > If you did have a manual, you'd be able to get a lightened
> flywheel
> > from
> > > Primitive Enterprises (http://www.get-primitive.com) or
Fidanza; i
> > think Jun
> > > makes one as well.
> > >
> > > -Jason
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > > >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > > >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???
> > > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47 -0500
> > > >
> > > >By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin you have an automatic
tranny.
> > > >Auto's do not have flywheels. They use the torque converter
as a
> > > >rotational damper which gives and takes the intermittent
energy
> > pulses
> > > >from the engine and smoothes it out...basically does the same
> > thing as
> > > >flywheel in that sense.
> > > >
> > > >Josh
> > > >
> > > >************************************
> > > >Josh Colombo
> > > >jcc189@p... <mailto:jcc189@p...>
> > > >
> > > >"Life, an ever-changing melody
> > > > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > > >************************************
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: mike p. [mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > > >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:18 PM
> > > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >ok, i know people use lightened pulleys on subys but how
about a
> > > >lightened flywheel? anyone know anyone that makes them for a
> suby?
> > > >to be more specific a 92 subaru legacy turbo(us spec. auto
> > > >slushbox). would it be worth it?
> > > >
> > > >
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jason grahn · Post by **jason grahn** » Mon Oct 22, 2001 11:21 pm

for some info on how torque converters work see Howstuffworks.com

http://www.howstuffworks.com/torque-converter.htm

-Jason Grahn

>From: "mike p." <ob1poor@yahoo.com>

>so essentially i'd be looking for a lightened torque converter for my
>scooby eh? well, ok. i think i can live with that, just have to do
>some more searchin'. i'm not really worried about gaining any hp off
>the deal just quicker revs, but the hp wouldn't hurt either:)
>meanwhile if anyone digs anything up and thinks about it i'd like to
>know. thanks guys.

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mike p. · Post by **mike p.** » Tue Oct 23, 2001 9:37 am

ok, so autos do in fact have a flywheel eh(tourque converter is
bolted on to the flywheel)? but i need to lighten the tc to see
anything though.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn" <jgrahn555@h...> wrote:
> for some info on how torque converters work see Howstuffworks.com
>
> http://www.howstuffworks.com/torque-converter.htm
>
> -Jason Grahn
>
>
> >From: "mike p." <ob1poor@y...>
>
> >so essentially i'd be looking for a lightened torque converter for
my
> >scooby eh? well, ok. i think i can live with that, just have to
do
> >some more searchin'. i'm not really worried about gaining any hp
off
> >the deal just quicker revs, but the hp wouldn't hurt either:)
> >meanwhile if anyone digs anything up and thinks about it i'd like
to
> >know. thanks guys.
>
>
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Rod Grosvenor · Post by **Rod Grosvenor** » Tue Oct 23, 2001 10:19 am

Mike-try this web site for more info-www.jmousa.com. or try jmo world site. Either one should be able to help. BTW, auto trannys have a FLEX PLATE rather than a flywheel. The torque convertor bolts to that instead of a conventional flywheel, though they both perform the same function. There IS something you can do to improve performance/reliability in regards to the flex plate, but without an upgraded convertor, it`s not a very good use of your money. The only way I`d replace my flex plate without replacing the convertor is if it were out of balance, teeth on the starter ring were chipped or missing or it was damaged. Hope this helps---ROD (AZ.)----- Original Message -----

From: mike p. <mailto:ob1poor@yahoo.com>
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 87 PM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???

so essentially i'd be looking for a lightened torque converter for my
scooby eh? well, ok. i think i can live with that, just have to do
some more searchin'. i'm not really worried about gaining any hp off
the deal just quicker revs, but the hp wouldn't hurt either:)
meanwhile if anyone digs anything up and thinks about it i'd like to
know. thanks guys.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., acroxford@h... wrote:
> The auto's use the torque converters housing for a flywheel there
have
> been light weight torque converters made but I don't know if one
is
> made for a Suby. I have a chromoly 12lb flywheel and the engine
does
> rev quite a bit faster and I would imagine that the hp used to turn
> the 26lb stock flywheel is mine now.
>
>
>
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> > yeah ya know what? i honestly(no seriously) didn't think auto's
had
> > a flywheel then i got to thinking(that's what threw me) and i
> > remember this guy i used to hang out with said he had to have a
new
> > flywheel put in his bronco(also an auto) because he broke some
teeth
> > on it or something so i checked my haynes manual(yup misled
again)
> > and from what i understood from it the autos along with the
manuals
> > had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i was all happy thinking i was going
to
> > get some quicker revs....
> >
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn" <jgrahn555@h...>
wrote:
> > > If you did have a manual, you'd be able to get a lightened
> flywheel
> > from
> > > Primitive Enterprises ( http://www.get-primitive.com) or
Fidanza; i
> > think Jun
> > > makes one as well.
> > >
> > > -Jason
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > > >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > > >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???
> > > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47 -0500
> > > >
> > > >By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin you have an automatic
tranny.
> > > >Auto's do not have flywheels. They use the torque converter
as a
> > > >rotational damper which gives and takes the intermittent
energy
> > pulses
> > > >from the engine and smoothes it out...basically does the same
> > thing as
> > > >flywheel in that sense.
> > > >
> > > >Josh
> > > >
> > > >************************************
> > > >Josh Colombo
> > > >jcc189@p... <mailto:jcc189@p...>
> > > >
> > > >"Life, an ever-changing melody
> > > > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > > >************************************
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: mike p. [mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > > >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:18 PM
> > > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >ok, i know people use lightened pulleys on subys but how
about a
> > > >lightened flywheel? anyone know anyone that makes them for a
> suby?
> > > >to be more specific a 92 subaru legacy turbo(us spec. auto
> > > >slushbox). would it be worth it?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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mike p. · Post by **mike p.** » Tue Oct 23, 2001 1:00 pm

thanks, that's cool they actually have them for subys. now if i
could only find their email addy

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor" <roderic@c...> wrote:
> Mike-try this web site for more info-www.jmousa.com. or try jmo
world site. Either one should be able to help. BTW, auto trannys have
a FLEX PLATE rather than a flywheel. The torque convertor bolts to
that instead of a conventional flywheel, though they both perform the
same function. There IS something you can do to improve
performance/reliability in regards to the flex plate, but without an
upgraded convertor, it`s not a very good use of your money. The only
way I`d replace my flex plate without replacing the convertor is if
it were out of balance, teeth on the starter ring were chipped or
missing or it was damaged. Hope this helps---ROD (AZ.)----- Original
Message -----
> From: mike p.
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 87 PM
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
>
>
> so essentially i'd be looking for a lightened torque converter
for my
> scooby eh? well, ok. i think i can live with that, just have
to do
> some more searchin'. i'm not really worried about gaining any hp
off
> the deal just quicker revs, but the hp wouldn't hurt either:)
> meanwhile if anyone digs anything up and thinks about it i'd like
to
> know. thanks guys.
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., acroxford@h... wrote:
> > The auto's use the torque converters housing for a flywheel
there
> have
> > been light weight torque converters made but I don't know if
one
> is
> > made for a Suby. I have a chromoly 12lb flywheel and the engine
> does
> > rev quite a bit faster and I would imagine that the hp used to
turn
> > the 26lb stock flywheel is mine now.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> > > yeah ya know what? i honestly(no seriously) didn't think
auto's
> had
> > > a flywheel then i got to thinking(that's what threw me) and i
> > > remember this guy i used to hang out with said he had to have
a
> new
> > > flywheel put in his bronco(also an auto) because he broke
some
> teeth
> > > on it or something so i checked my haynes manual(yup misled
> again)
> > > and from what i understood from it the autos along with the
> manuals
> > > had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i was all happy thinking i was
going
> to
> > > get some quicker revs....
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn" <jgrahn555@h...>
> wrote:
> > > > If you did have a manual, you'd be able to get a lightened
> > flywheel
> > > from
> > > > Primitive Enterprises (http://www.get-primitive.com) or
> Fidanza; i
> > > think Jun
> > > > makes one as well.
> > > >
> > > > -Jason
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > > > >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > > > >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???
> > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin you have an automatic
> tranny.
> > > > >Auto's do not have flywheels. They use the torque
converter
> as a
> > > > >rotational damper which gives and takes the intermittent
> energy
> > > pulses
> > > > >from the engine and smoothes it out...basically does the
same
> > > thing as
> > > > >flywheel in that sense.
> > > > >
> > > > >Josh
> > > > >
> > > > >************************************
> > > > >Josh Colombo
> > > > >jcc189@p... <mailto:jcc189@p...>
> > > > >
> > > > >"Life, an ever-changing melody
> > > > > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > > > >************************************
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: mike p. [mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > > > >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:18 PM
> > > > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >ok, i know people use lightened pulleys on subys but how
> about a
> > > > >lightened flywheel? anyone know anyone that makes them
for a
> > suby?
> > > > >to be more specific a 92 subaru legacy turbo(us spec. auto
> > > > >slushbox). would it be worth it?
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georgerbyrne@yahoo.com · Thu Oct 25, 2001 9:51 am

Am getting my flywheel lightened ATM, while converting my FWD to AWD.
I am putting in a 4:44 ratio box with ej20-t clutch and flywheel, and
a Viscous LSD rear. Should be good for when i drop n the new RS RA
ej20-t in january. hehehe

I was talking to my mechanic today who does alot of sooby performance
mods, and he said if you machine the standard subaru flywheels, to
take off 1.5mm, that will give you the best, safe result, without
risking damaging parts, and definately help bring up the rev's
faster. Anything less than that and it won't make a big enough
difference, and any more and you can hurt stuff. (didn't specify what
though.)
My Legacy/liberty currently has an NA - EJ22 with a coupla mods, good
for about 165-170hp, so hoping it will do OK with the flywheel and
driveline mods, as well as a couple of dodgy backyard computer
alterations, to add about another 15hp.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> thanks, that's cool they actually have them for subys. now if i
> could only find their email addy

>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor" <roderic@c...> wrote:
> > Mike-try this web site for more info-www.jmousa.com. or try jmo
> world site. Either one should be able to help. BTW, auto trannys
have
> a FLEX PLATE rather than a flywheel. The torque convertor bolts to
> that instead of a conventional flywheel, though they both perform
the
> same function. There IS something you can do to improve
> performance/reliability in regards to the flex plate, but without
an
> upgraded convertor, it`s not a very good use of your money. The
only
> way I`d replace my flex plate without replacing the convertor is if
> it were out of balance, teeth on the starter ring were chipped or
> missing or it was damaged. Hope this helps---ROD (AZ.)-----
Original
> Message -----
> > From: mike p.
> > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 87 PM
> > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> >
> >
> > so essentially i'd be looking for a lightened torque converter
> for my
> > scooby eh? well, ok. i think i can live with that, just have
> to do
> > some more searchin'. i'm not really worried about gaining any
hp
> off
> > the deal just quicker revs, but the hp wouldn't hurt either:)
> > meanwhile if anyone digs anything up and thinks about it i'd
like
> to
> > know. thanks guys.
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., acroxford@h... wrote:
> > > The auto's use the torque converters housing for a flywheel
> there
> > have
> > > been light weight torque converters made but I don't know if
> one
> > is
> > > made for a Suby. I have a chromoly 12lb flywheel and the
engine
> > does
> > > rev quite a bit faster and I would imagine that the hp used
to
> turn
> > > the 26lb stock flywheel is mine now.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> > > > yeah ya know what? i honestly(no seriously) didn't think
> auto's
> > had
> > > > a flywheel then i got to thinking(that's what threw me) and
i
> > > > remember this guy i used to hang out with said he had to
have
> a
> > new
> > > > flywheel put in his bronco(also an auto) because he broke
> some
> > teeth
> > > > on it or something so i checked my haynes manual(yup misled
> > again)
> > > > and from what i understood from it the autos along with the
> > manuals
> > > > had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i was all happy thinking i was
> going
> > to
> > > > get some quicker revs....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn"
<jgrahn555@h...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > If you did have a manual, you'd be able to get a
lightened
> > > flywheel
> > > > from
> > > > > Primitive Enterprises (http://www.get-primitive.com) or
> > Fidanza; i
> > > > think Jun
> > > > > makes one as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Jason
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > > > > >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > > > > >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???
> > > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47 -0500
> > > > > >
> > > > > >By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin you have an
automatic
> > tranny.
> > > > > >Auto's do not have flywheels. They use the torque
> converter
> > as a
> > > > > >rotational damper which gives and takes the intermittent
> > energy
> > > > pulses
> > > > > >from the engine and smoothes it out...basically does the
> same
> > > > thing as
> > > > > >flywheel in that sense.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Josh
> > > > > >
> > > > > >************************************
> > > > > >Josh Colombo
> > > > > >jcc189@p... <mailto:jcc189@p...>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >"Life, an ever-changing melody
> > > > > > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > > > > >************************************
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >From: mike p. [mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > > > > >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:18 PM
> > > > > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >ok, i know people use lightened pulleys on subys but
how
> > about a
> > > > > >lightened flywheel? anyone know anyone that makes them
> for a
> > > suby?
> > > > > >to be more specific a 92 subaru legacy turbo(us spec.
auto
> > > > > >slushbox). would it be worth it?
> > > > > >
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Josh Colombo · Post by **Josh Colombo** » Thu Oct 25, 2001 10:48 am

I'm assuming they are grinding away on the flywheel to make it lighter correct. How are they doing this? Are they taking away material from the middle, the contact surface area, back side ? I've heard that resurfacing the subaru flywheels is not a good idea as it will cause the clutch to grab poorly and cause premature wear and tear.

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: georgerbyrne@yahoo.com
Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 8:50 AM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???

Am getting my flywheel lightened ATM, while converting my FWD to AWD.
I am putting in a 4:44 ratio box with ej20-t clutch and flywheel, and
a Viscous LSD rear. Should be good for when i drop n the new RS RA
ej20-t in january. hehehe

I was talking to my mechanic today who does alot of sooby performance
mods, and he said if you machine the standard subaru flywheels, to
take off 1.5mm, that will give you the best, safe result, without
risking damaging parts, and definately help bring up the rev's
faster. Anything less than that and it won't make a big enough
difference, and any more and you can hurt stuff. (didn't specify what
though.)
My Legacy/liberty currently has an NA - EJ22 with a coupla mods, good
for about 165-170hp, so hoping it will do OK with the flywheel and
driveline mods, as well as a couple of dodgy backyard computer
alterations, to add about another 15hp.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> thanks, that's cool they actually have them for subys. now if i
> could only find their email addy

>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor" <roderic@c...> wrote:
> > Mike-try this web site for more info-www.jmousa.com. or try jmo
> world site. Either one should be able to help. BTW, auto trannys
have
> a FLEX PLATE rather than a flywheel. The torque convertor bolts to
> that instead of a conventional flywheel, though they both perform
the
> same function. There IS something you can do to improve
> performance/reliability in regards to the flex plate, but without
an
> upgraded convertor, it`s not a very good use of your money. The
only
> way I`d replace my flex plate without replacing the convertor is if
> it were out of balance, teeth on the starter ring were chipped or
> missing or it was damaged. Hope this helps---ROD (AZ.)-----
Original
> Message -----
> > From: mike p.
> > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 87 PM
> > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> >
> >
> > so essentially i'd be looking for a lightened torque converter
> for my
> > scooby eh? well, ok. i think i can live with that, just have
> to do
> > some more searchin'. i'm not really worried about gaining any
hp
> off
> > the deal just quicker revs, but the hp wouldn't hurt either:)
> > meanwhile if anyone digs anything up and thinks about it i'd
like
> to
> > know. thanks guys.
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., acroxford@h... wrote:
> > > The auto's use the torque converters housing for a flywheel
> there
> > have
> > > been light weight torque converters made but I don't know if
> one
> > is
> > > made for a Suby. I have a chromoly 12lb flywheel and the
engine
> > does
> > > rev quite a bit faster and I would imagine that the hp used
to
> turn
> > > the 26lb stock flywheel is mine now.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> > > > yeah ya know what? i honestly(no seriously) didn't think
> auto's
> > had
> > > > a flywheel then i got to thinking(that's what threw me) and
i
> > > > remember this guy i used to hang out with said he had to
have
> a
> > new
> > > > flywheel put in his bronco(also an auto) because he broke
> some
> > teeth
> > > > on it or something so i checked my haynes manual(yup misled
> > again)
> > > > and from what i understood from it the autos along with the
> > manuals
> > > > had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i was all happy thinking i was
> going
> > to
> > > > get some quicker revs....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn"
<jgrahn555@h...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > If you did have a manual, you'd be able to get a
lightened
> > > flywheel
> > > > from
> > > > > Primitive Enterprises ( http://www.get-primitive.com) or
> > Fidanza; i
> > > > think Jun
> > > > > makes one as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Jason
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > > > > >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > > > > >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???
> > > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47 -0500
> > > > > >
> > > > > >By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin you have an
automatic
> > tranny.
> > > > > >Auto's do not have flywheels. They use the torque
> converter
> > as a
> > > > > >rotational damper which gives and takes the intermittent
> > energy
> > > > pulses
> > > > > >from the engine and smoothes it out...basically does the
> same
> > > > thing as
> > > > > >flywheel in that sense.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Josh
> > > > > >
> > > > > >************************************
> > > > > >Josh Colombo
> > > > > >jcc189@p... < mailto:jcc189@p...>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >"Life, an ever-changing melody
> > > > > > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > > > > >************************************
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >From: mike p. [ mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > > > > >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:18 PM
> > > > > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >ok, i know people use lightened pulleys on subys but
how
> > about a
> > > > > >lightened flywheel? anyone know anyone that makes them
> for a
> > > suby?
> > > > > >to be more specific a 92 subaru legacy turbo(us spec.
auto
> > > > > >slushbox). would it be worth it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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mike p. · Post by **mike p.** » Thu Oct 25, 2001 11:57 am

josh, a little off topic here but how much faster are the revs with
just the underdrive pulley? that'd probably fit better in my budget
now than trying to get a lightened torque converter for my soob. and
one other thing, is it the weight(of the underdrive pulley) or the
smaller size(it is smaller right?) that gives the quicker revs?

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...> wrote:
> I'm assuming they are grinding away on the flywheel to make it
lighter
> correct. How are they doing this? Are they taking away material
from
> the middle, the contact surface area, back side ? I've heard that
> resurfacing the subaru flywheels is not a good idea as it will
cause the
> clutch to grab poorly and cause premature wear and tear.
>
> Josh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: georgerbyrne@y...
> Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 8:50 AM
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Cc:
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
>
>
>
> Am getting my flywheel lightened ATM, while converting my FWD
to
> AWD.
> I am putting in a 4:44 ratio box with ej20-t clutch and
> flywheel, and
> a Viscous LSD rear. Should be good for when i drop n the new
RS
> RA
> ej20-t in january. hehehe
>
> I was talking to my mechanic today who does alot of sooby
> performance
> mods, and he said if you machine the standard subaru
flywheels,
> to
> take off 1.5mm, that will give you the best, safe result,
> without
> risking damaging parts, and definately help bring up the rev's
> faster. Anything less than that and it won't make a big enough
> difference, and any more and you can hurt stuff. (didn't
specify
> what
> though.)
> My Legacy/liberty currently has an NA - EJ22 with a coupla
mods,
> good
> for about 165-170hp, so hoping it will do OK with the flywheel
> and
> driveline mods, as well as a couple of dodgy backyard computer
> alterations, to add about another 15hp.
>
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> > thanks, that's cool they actually have them for subys. now
if
> i
> > could only find their email addy

> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor" <roderic@c...>
> wrote:
> > > Mike-try this web site for more info-www.jmousa.com. or
try
> jmo
> > world site. Either one should be able to help. BTW, auto
> trannys
> have
> > a FLEX PLATE rather than a flywheel. The torque convertor
> bolts to
> > that instead of a conventional flywheel, though they both
> perform
> the
> > same function. There IS something you can do to improve
> > performance/reliability in regards to the flex plate, but
> without
> an
> > upgraded convertor, it`s not a very good use of your money.
> The
> only
> > way I`d replace my flex plate without replacing the
convertor
> is if
> > it were out of balance, teeth on the starter ring were
chipped
> or
> > missing or it was damaged. Hope this helps---ROD (AZ.)-----
> Original
> > Message -----
> > > From: mike p.
> > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 87 PM
> > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> > >
> > >
> > > so essentially i'd be looking for a lightened torque
> converter
> > for my
> > > scooby eh? well, ok. i think i can live with that,
just
> have
> > to do
> > > some more searchin'. i'm not really worried about
gaining
> any
> hp
> > off
> > > the deal just quicker revs, but the hp wouldn't hurt
> either:)
> > > meanwhile if anyone digs anything up and thinks about it
> i'd
> like
> > to
> > > know. thanks guys.
> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., acroxford@h... wrote:
> > > > The auto's use the torque converters housing for a
> flywheel
> > there
> > > have
> > > > been light weight torque converters made but I don't
> know if
> > one
> > > is
> > > > made for a Suby. I have a chromoly 12lb flywheel and
the
> engine
> > > does
> > > > rev quite a bit faster and I would imagine that the hp
> used
> to
> > turn
> > > > the 26lb stock flywheel is mine now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...>
> wrote:
> > > > > yeah ya know what? i honestly(no seriously) didn't
> think
> > auto's
> > > had
> > > > > a flywheel then i got to thinking(that's what threw
> me) and
> i
> > > > > remember this guy i used to hang out with said he
had
> to
> have
> > a
> > > new
> > > > > flywheel put in his bronco(also an auto) because he
> broke
> > some
> > > teeth
> > > > > on it or something so i checked my haynes manual(yup
> misled
> > > again)
> > > > > and from what i understood from it the autos along
> with the
> > > manuals
> > > > > had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i was all happy
thinking
> i was
> > going
> > > to
> > > > > get some quicker revs....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn"
> <jgrahn555@h...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > If you did have a manual, you'd be able to get a
> lightened
> > > > flywheel
> > > > > from
> > > > > > Primitive Enterprises (
> http://www.get-primitive.com) or
> > > Fidanza; i
> > > > > think Jun
> > > > > > makes one as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Jason
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > > > > > >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened
> flywheel???
> > > > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47 -0500
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin you have an
> automatic
> > > tranny.
> > > > > > >Auto's do not have flywheels. They use the
torque
> > converter
> > > as a
> > > > > > >rotational damper which gives and takes the
> intermittent
> > > energy
> > > > > pulses
> > > > > > >from the engine and smoothes it out...basically
> does the
> > same
> > > > > thing as
> > > > > > >flywheel in that sense.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Josh
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >ok, i know people use lightened pulleys on subys
> but
> how
> > > about a
> > > > > > >lightened flywheel? anyone know anyone that
makes
> them
> > for a
> > > > suby?
> > > > > > >to be more specific a 92 subaru legacy turbo(us
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Josh Colombo · Post by **Josh Colombo** » Thu Oct 25, 2001 1:27 pm

Well, I really can't give you an exact scientific number as to how much faster it revs. I did notice a difference though. I think that and putting my intake on were the two things that helped make for faster revs to redline and such. If you don't want an intake, you can do the snorkelesectamy or whatever that's called, and take the snorkel out of the fenderwell, and put a k&n drop in filter in.

The weight is what helps the most. The lighter the crankshaft is, ie less rotation mass, the faster it will respond to change. If you want to get technical you can prove this with Newton's second law F=ma. F = the force required to turn the shaft, think of this as the force (power) produced by the pistons. a is the acceleration of the shaft. So if we want to accelerate the crank (ie: rev the engine), and we have X amount of force being produced from the pistons. Mass, m, is inversely proportional to the acceleration. If you want faster revs, ie. acceleration, then you have to reduce the mass.

This is just the basic physics of why it does what it does, and gets a lot more harry after this, but this gives you the idea behind why it does what it does.

This ends our physics lesson for today.....

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: mike p.
Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 10:56 AM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???

josh, a little off topic here but how much faster are the revs with
just the underdrive pulley? that'd probably fit better in my budget
now than trying to get a lightened torque converter for my soob. and
one other thing, is it the weight(of the underdrive pulley) or the
smaller size(it is smaller right?) that gives the quicker revs?

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...> wrote:
> I'm assuming they are grinding away on the flywheel to make it
lighter
> correct. How are they doing this? Are they taking away material
from
> the middle, the contact surface area, back side ? I've heard that
> resurfacing the subaru flywheels is not a good idea as it will
cause the
> clutch to grab poorly and cause premature wear and tear.
>
> Josh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: georgerbyrne@y...
> Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 8:50 AM
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Cc:
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
>
>
>
> Am getting my flywheel lightened ATM, while converting my FWD
to
> AWD.
> I am putting in a 4:44 ratio box with ej20-t clutch and
> flywheel, and
> a Viscous LSD rear. Should be good for when i drop n the new
RS
> RA
> ej20-t in january. hehehe
>
> I was talking to my mechanic today who does alot of sooby
> performance
> mods, and he said if you machine the standard subaru
flywheels,
> to
> take off 1.5mm, that will give you the best, safe result,
> without
> risking damaging parts, and definately help bring up the rev's
> faster. Anything less than that and it won't make a big enough
> difference, and any more and you can hurt stuff. (didn't
specify
> what
> though.)
> My Legacy/liberty currently has an NA - EJ22 with a coupla
mods,
> good
> for about 165-170hp, so hoping it will do OK with the flywheel
> and
> driveline mods, as well as a couple of dodgy backyard computer
> alterations, to add about another 15hp.
>
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> > thanks, that's cool they actually have them for subys. now
if
> i
> > could only find their email addy

> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor" <roderic@c...>
> wrote:
> > > Mike-try this web site for more info-www.jmousa.com. or
try
> jmo
> > world site. Either one should be able to help. BTW, auto
> trannys
> have
> > a FLEX PLATE rather than a flywheel. The torque convertor
> bolts to
> > that instead of a conventional flywheel, though they both
> perform
> the
> > same function. There IS something you can do to improve
> > performance/reliability in regards to the flex plate, but
> without
> an
> > upgraded convertor, it`s not a very good use of your money.
> The
> only
> > way I`d replace my flex plate without replacing the
convertor
> is if
> > it were out of balance, teeth on the starter ring were
chipped
> or
> > missing or it was damaged. Hope this helps---ROD (AZ.)-----
> Original
> > Message -----
> > > From: mike p.
> > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 87 PM
> > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> > >
> > >
> > > so essentially i'd be looking for a lightened torque
> converter
> > for my
> > > scooby eh? well, ok. i think i can live with that,
just
> have
> > to do
> > > some more searchin'. i'm not really worried about
gaining
> any
> hp
> > off
> > > the deal just quicker revs, but the hp wouldn't hurt
> either:)
> > > meanwhile if anyone digs anything up and thinks about it
> i'd
> like
> > to
> > > know. thanks guys.
> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., acroxford@h... wrote:
> > > > The auto's use the torque converters housing for a
> flywheel
> > there
> > > have
> > > > been light weight torque converters made but I don't
> know if
> > one
> > > is
> > > > made for a Suby. I have a chromoly 12lb flywheel and
the
> engine
> > > does
> > > > rev quite a bit faster and I would imagine that the hp
> used
> to
> > turn
> > > > the 26lb stock flywheel is mine now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...>
> wrote:
> > > > > yeah ya know what? i honestly(no seriously) didn't
> think
> > auto's
> > > had
> > > > > a flywheel then i got to thinking(that's what threw
> me) and
> i
> > > > > remember this guy i used to hang out with said he
had
> to
> have
> > a
> > > new
> > > > > flywheel put in his bronco(also an auto) because he
> broke
> > some
> > > teeth
> > > > > on it or something so i checked my haynes manual(yup
> misled
> > > again)
> > > > > and from what i understood from it the autos along
> with the
> > > manuals
> > > > > had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i was all happy
thinking
> i was
> > going
> > > to
> > > > > get some quicker revs....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn"
> <jgrahn555@h...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > If you did have a manual, you'd be able to get a
> lightened
> > > > flywheel
> > > > > from
> > > > > > Primitive Enterprises (
> http://www.get-primitive.com) or
> > > Fidanza; i
> > > > > think Jun
> > > > > > makes one as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Jason
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > > > > > >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened
> flywheel???
> > > > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47 -0500
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin you have an
> automatic
> > > tranny.
> > > > > > >Auto's do not have flywheels. They use the
torque
> > converter
> > > as a
> > > > > > >rotational damper which gives and takes the
> intermittent
> > > energy
> > > > > pulses
> > > > > > >from the engine and smoothes it out...basically
> does the
> > same
> > > > > thing as
> > > > > > >flywheel in that sense.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Josh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >************************************
> > > > > > >Josh Colombo
> > > > > > >jcc189@p... < mailto:jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >"Life, an ever-changing melody
> > > > > > > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > > > > > >************************************
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >From: mike p. [ mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > > > > > >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:18 PM
> > > > > > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >ok, i know people use lightened pulleys on subys
> but
> how
> > > about a
> > > > > > >lightened flywheel? anyone know anyone that
makes
> them
> > for a
> > > > suby?
> > > > > > >to be more specific a 92 subaru legacy turbo(us
> spec.
> auto
> > > > > > >slushbox). would it be worth it?
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acroxford@hypermall.net · Thu Oct 25, 2001 3:07 pm

I will have to agree that the idea of resurfacing Legacy flywheels is
not a good idea. The original flywheels are surfaced hardened and
ground. Resurfacing removes the hardened surface and a few I have seen
were resurfaced with a flycutter that left a pretty rough surface and
didn't last long. Any resurfacing will move the position of the clutch
forward and make it difficult to disengage because of the limit on the
t/o bearing travel. I found that 12lbs works very good for weight on
the flywheel.
Al (CO)

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...> wrote:
> Well, I really can't give you an exact scientific number as to how
much
> faster it revs. I did notice a difference though. I think that and
> putting my intake on were the two things that helped make for faster
> revs to redline and such. If you don't want an intake, you can do
the
> snorkelesectamy or whatever that's called, and take the snorkel out
of
> the fenderwell, and put a k&n drop in filter in.
>
> The weight is what helps the most. The lighter the crankshaft is,
ie
> less rotation mass, the faster it will respond to change. If you
want
> to get technical you can prove this with Newton's second law F=ma.
F =
> the force required to turn the shaft, think of this as the force
(power)
> produced by the pistons. a is the acceleration of the shaft. So if
we
> want to accelerate the crank (ie: rev the engine), and we have X
amount
> of force being produced from the pistons. Mass, m, is inversely
> proportional to the acceleration. If you want faster revs, ie.
> acceleration, then you have to reduce the mass.
>
> This is just the basic physics of why it does what it does, and gets
a
> lot more harry after this, but this gives you the idea behind why it
> does what it does.
>
> This ends our physics lesson for today.....

>
> Josh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike p.
> Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 10:56 AM
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Cc:
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
>
>
>
> josh, a little off topic here but how much faster are the revs
> with
> just the underdrive pulley? that'd probably fit better in my
> budget
> now than trying to get a lightened torque converter for my
soob.
> and
> one other thing, is it the weight(of the underdrive pulley) or
> the
> smaller size(it is smaller right?) that gives the quicker
revs?
>
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> wrote:
> > I'm assuming they are grinding away on the flywheel to make
it
> lighter
> > correct. How are they doing this? Are they taking away
> material
> from
> > the middle, the contact surface area, back side ? I've
heard
> that
> > resurfacing the subaru flywheels is not a good idea as it
will
> cause the
> > clutch to grab poorly and cause premature wear and tear.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: georgerbyrne@y...
> > Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 8:50 AM
> > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > Cc:
> > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> >
> >
> >
> > Am getting my flywheel lightened ATM, while converting
> my FWD
> to
> > AWD.
> > I am putting in a 4:44 ratio box with ej20-t clutch
and
> > flywheel, and
> > a Viscous LSD rear. Should be good for when i drop n
the
> new
> RS
> > RA
> > ej20-t in january. hehehe
> >
> > I was talking to my mechanic today who does alot of
> sooby
> > performance
> > mods, and he said if you machine the standard subaru
> flywheels,
> > to
> > take off 1.5mm, that will give you the best, safe
> result,
> > without
> > risking damaging parts, and definately help bring up
the
> rev's
> > faster. Anything less than that and it won't make a
big
> enough
> > difference, and any more and you can hurt stuff.
(didn't
> specify
> > what
> > though.)
> > My Legacy/liberty currently has an NA - EJ22 with a
> coupla
> mods,
> > good
> > for about 165-170hp, so hoping it will do OK with the
> flywheel
> > and
> > driveline mods, as well as a couple of dodgy backyard
> computer
> > alterations, to add about another 15hp.
> >
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...>
> wrote:
> > > thanks, that's cool they actually have them for
subys.
> now
> if
> > i
> > > could only find their email addy

> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor"
> <roderic@c...>
> > wrote:
> > > > Mike-try this web site for more
info-www.jmousa.com.
> or
> try
> > jmo
> > > world site. Either one should be able to help. BTW,
> auto
> > trannys
> > have
> > > a FLEX PLATE rather than a flywheel. The torque
> convertor
> > bolts to
> > > that instead of a conventional flywheel, though they
> both
> > perform
> > the
> > > same function. There IS something you can do to
> improve
> > > performance/reliability in regards to the flex
plate,
> but
> > without
> > an
> > > upgraded convertor, it`s not a very good use of your
> money.
> > The
> > only
> > > way I`d replace my flex plate without replacing the
> convertor
> > is if
> > > it were out of balance, teeth on the starter ring
were
> chipped
> > or
> > > missing or it was damaged. Hope this helps---ROD
> (AZ.)-----
> > Original
> > > Message -----
> > > > From: mike p.
> > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 87 PM
> > > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened
> flywheel???
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > so essentially i'd be looking for a lightened
> torque
> > converter
> > > for my
> > > > scooby eh? well, ok. i think i can live with
> that,
> just
> > have
> > > to do
> > > > some more searchin'. i'm not really worried
about
> gaining
> > any
> > hp
> > > off
> > > > the deal just quicker revs, but the hp wouldn't
> hurt
> > either:)
> > > > meanwhile if anyone digs anything up and thinks
> about it
> > i'd
> > like
> > > to
> > > > know. thanks guys.
> > > >
> > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., acroxford@h...
> wrote:
> > > > > The auto's use the torque converters housing
for
> a
> > flywheel
> > > there
> > > > have
> > > > > been light weight torque converters made but I
> don't
> > know if
> > > one
> > > > is
> > > > > made for a Suby. I have a chromoly 12lb
flywheel
> and
> the
> > engine
> > > > does
> > > > > rev quite a bit faster and I would imagine
that
> the hp
> > used
> > to
> > > turn
> > > > > the 26lb stock flywheel is mine now.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p."
> <ob1poor@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > yeah ya know what? i honestly(no seriously)
> didn't
> > think
> > > auto's
> > > > had
> > > > > > a flywheel then i got to thinking(that's
what
> threw
> > me) and
> > i
> > > > > > remember this guy i used to hang out with
said
> he
> had
> > to
> > have
> > > a
> > > > new
> > > > > > flywheel put in his bronco(also an auto)
> because he
> > broke
> > > some
> > > > teeth
> > > > > > on it or something so i checked my haynes
> manual(yup
> > misled
> > > > again)
> > > > > > and from what i understood from it the autos
> along
> > with the
> > > > manuals
> > > > > > had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i was all happy
> thinking
> > i was
> > > going
> > > > to
> > > > > > get some quicker revs....
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn"
> > <jgrahn555@h...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > If you did have a manual, you'd be able to
> get a
> > lightened
> > > > > flywheel
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > Primitive Enterprises (
> > http://www.get-primitive.com) or
> > > > Fidanza; i
> > > > > > think Jun
> > > > > > > makes one as well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Jason
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened
> > flywheel???
> > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47 -0500
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin you
> have an
> > automatic
> > > > tranny.
> > > > > > > >Auto's do not have flywheels. They use
the
> torque
> > > converter
> > > > as a
> > > > > > > >rotational damper which gives and takes
the
> > intermittent
> > > > energy
> > > > > > pulses
> > > > > > > >from the engine and smoothes it
> out...basically
> > does the
> > > same
> > > > > > thing as
> > > > > > > >flywheel in that sense.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Josh
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >************************************
> > > > > > > >Josh Colombo
> > > > > > > >jcc189@p... < mailto:jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >"Life, an ever-changing melody
> > > > > > > > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > > > > > > >************************************
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > >From: mike p. [ mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:18 PM
> > > > > > > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened
> flywheel???
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >ok, i know people use lightened pulleys
on
> subys
> > but
> > how
> > > > about a
> > > > > > > >lightened flywheel? anyone know anyone
> that
> makes
> > them
> > > for a
> > > > > suby?
> > > > > > > >to be more specific a 92 subaru legacy
> turbo(us
> > spec.
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jason grahn · Post by **jason grahn** » Thu Oct 25, 2001 3:34 pm

What type of flywheel do you have Al?

>From: acroxford@hypermall.net
>Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
>Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 195:39 -0000
>
>I will have to agree that the idea of resurfacing Legacy flywheels is
>not a good idea. The original flywheels are surfaced hardened and
>ground. Resurfacing removes the hardened surface and a few I have seen
>were resurfaced with a flycutter that left a pretty rough surface and
>didn't last long. Any resurfacing will move the position of the clutch
>forward and make it difficult to disengage because of the limit on the
>t/o bearing travel. I found that 12lbs works very good for weight on
>the flywheel.
>Al (CO)
>
>
>
>
>--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...> wrote:
> > Well, I really can't give you an exact scientific number as to how
>much
> > faster it revs. I did notice a difference though. I think that and
> > putting my intake on were the two things that helped make for faster
> > revs to redline and such. If you don't want an intake, you can do
>the
> > snorkelesectamy or whatever that's called, and take the snorkel out
>of
> > the fenderwell, and put a k&n drop in filter in.
> >
> > The weight is what helps the most. The lighter the crankshaft is,
>ie
> > less rotation mass, the faster it will respond to change. If you
>want
> > to get technical you can prove this with Newton's second law F=ma.
>F =
> > the force required to turn the shaft, think of this as the force
>(power)
> > produced by the pistons. a is the acceleration of the shaft. So if
>we
> > want to accelerate the crank (ie: rev the engine), and we have X
>amount
> > of force being produced from the pistons. Mass, m, is inversely
> > proportional to the acceleration. If you want faster revs, ie.
> > acceleration, then you have to reduce the mass.
> >
> > This is just the basic physics of why it does what it does, and gets
>a
> > lot more harry after this, but this gives you the idea behind why it
> > does what it does.
> >
> > This ends our physics lesson for today.....

> >
> > Josh
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mike p.
> > Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 10:56 AM
> > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > Cc:
> > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> >
> >
> >
> > josh, a little off topic here but how much faster are the revs
> > with
> > just the underdrive pulley? that'd probably fit better in my
> > budget
> > now than trying to get a lightened torque converter for my
>soob.
> > and
> > one other thing, is it the weight(of the underdrive pulley) or
> > the
> > smaller size(it is smaller right?) that gives the quicker
>revs?
> >
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > wrote:
> > > I'm assuming they are grinding away on the flywheel to make
>it
> > lighter
> > > correct. How are they doing this? Are they taking away
> > material
> > from
> > > the middle, the contact surface area, back side ? I've
>heard
> > that
> > > resurfacing the subaru flywheels is not a good idea as it
>will
> > cause the
> > > clutch to grab poorly and cause premature wear and tear.
> > >
> > > Josh
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: georgerbyrne@y...
> > > Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 8:50 AM
> > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > Cc:
> > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Am getting my flywheel lightened ATM, while converting
> > my FWD
> > to
> > > AWD.
> > > I am putting in a 4:44 ratio box with ej20-t clutch
>and
> > > flywheel, and
> > > a Viscous LSD rear. Should be good for when i drop n
>the
> > new
> > RS
> > > RA
> > > ej20-t in january. hehehe
> > >
> > > I was talking to my mechanic today who does alot of
> > sooby
> > > performance
> > > mods, and he said if you machine the standard subaru
> > flywheels,
> > > to
> > > take off 1.5mm, that will give you the best, safe
> > result,
> > > without
> > > risking damaging parts, and definately help bring up
>the
> > rev's
> > > faster. Anything less than that and it won't make a
>big
> > enough
> > > difference, and any more and you can hurt stuff.
>(didn't
> > specify
> > > what
> > > though.)
> > > My Legacy/liberty currently has an NA - EJ22 with a
> > coupla
> > mods,
> > > good
> > > for about 165-170hp, so hoping it will do OK with the
> > flywheel
> > > and
> > > driveline mods, as well as a couple of dodgy backyard
> > computer
> > > alterations, to add about another 15hp.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > > thanks, that's cool they actually have them for
>subys.
> > now
> > if
> > > i
> > > > could only find their email addy

> > > >
> > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor"
> > <roderic@c...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Mike-try this web site for more
>info-www.jmousa.com.
> > or
> > try
> > > jmo
> > > > world site. Either one should be able to help. BTW,
> > auto
> > > trannys
> > > have
> > > > a FLEX PLATE rather than a flywheel. The torque
> > convertor
> > > bolts to
> > > > that instead of a conventional flywheel, though they
> > both
> > > perform
> > > the
> > > > same function. There IS something you can do to
> > improve
> > > > performance/reliability in regards to the flex
>plate,
> > but
> > > without
> > > an
> > > > upgraded convertor, it`s not a very good use of your
> > money.
> > > The
> > > only
> > > > way I`d replace my flex plate without replacing the
> > convertor
> > > is if
> > > > it were out of balance, teeth on the starter ring
>were
> > chipped
> > > or
> > > > missing or it was damaged. Hope this helps---ROD
> > (AZ.)-----
> > > Original
> > > > Message -----
> > > > > From: mike p.
> > > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 87 PM
> > > > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened
> > flywheel???
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > so essentially i'd be looking for a lightened
> > torque
> > > converter
> > > > for my
> > > > > scooby eh? well, ok. i think i can live with
> > that,
> > just
> > > have
> > > > to do
> > > > > some more searchin'. i'm not really worried
>about
> > gaining
> > > any
> > > hp
> > > > off
> > > > > the deal just quicker revs, but the hp wouldn't
> > hurt
> > > either:)
> > > > > meanwhile if anyone digs anything up and thinks
> > about it
> > > i'd
> > > like
> > > > to
> > > > > know. thanks guys.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., acroxford@h...
> > wrote:
> > > > > > The auto's use the torque converters housing
>for
> > a
> > > flywheel
> > > > there
> > > > > have
> > > > > > been light weight torque converters made but I
> > don't
> > > know if
> > > > one
> > > > > is
> > > > > > made for a Suby. I have a chromoly 12lb
>flywheel
> > and
> > the
> > > engine
> > > > > does
> > > > > > rev quite a bit faster and I would imagine
>that
> > the hp
> > > used
> > > to
> > > > turn
> > > > > > the 26lb stock flywheel is mine now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p."
> > <ob1poor@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > yeah ya know what? i honestly(no seriously)
> > didn't
> > > think
> > > > auto's
> > > > > had
> > > > > > > a flywheel then i got to thinking(that's
>what
> > threw
> > > me) and
> > > i
> > > > > > > remember this guy i used to hang out with
>said
> > he
> > had
> > > to
> > > have
> > > > a
> > > > > new
> > > > > > > flywheel put in his bronco(also an auto)
> > because he
> > > broke
> > > > some
> > > > > teeth
> > > > > > > on it or something so i checked my haynes
> > manual(yup
> > > misled
> > > > > again)
> > > > > > > and from what i understood from it the autos
> > along
> > > with the
> > > > > manuals
> > > > > > > had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i was all happy
> > thinking
> > > i was
> > > > going
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > get some quicker revs....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn"
> > > <jgrahn555@h...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > If you did have a manual, you'd be able to
> > get a
> > > lightened
> > > > > > flywheel
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > Primitive Enterprises (
> > > http://www.get-primitive.com) or
> > > > > Fidanza; i
> > > > > > > think Jun
> > > > > > > > makes one as well.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Jason
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened
> > > flywheel???
> > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47 -0500
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin you
> > have an
> > > automatic
> > > > > tranny.
> > > > > > > > >Auto's do not have flywheels. They use
>the
> > torque
> > > > converter
> > > > > as a
> > > > > > > > >rotational damper which gives and takes
>the
> > > intermittent
> > > > > energy
> > > > > > > pulses
> > > > > > > > >from the engine and smoothes it
> > out...basically
> > > does the
> > > > same
> > > > > > > thing as
> > > > > > > > >flywheel in that sense.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Josh
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >************************************
> > > > > > > > >Josh Colombo
> > > > > > > > >jcc189@p... < mailto:jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >"Life, an ever-changing melody
> > > > > > > > > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > > > > > > > >************************************
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > >From: mike p. [ mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:18 PM
> > > > > > > > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened
> > flywheel???
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >ok, i know people use lightened pulleys
>on
> > subys
> > > but
> > > how
> > > > > about a
> > > > > > > > >lightened flywheel? anyone know anyone
> > that
> > makes
> > > them
> > > > for a
> > > > > > suby?
> > > > > > > > >to be more specific a 92 subaru legacy
> > turbo(us
> > > spec.
> > > auto
> > > > > > > > >slushbox). would it be worth it?
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mike p. · Post by **mike p.** » Thu Oct 25, 2001 10:11 pm

hmmm... yeah i removed the snorkel but still have mixed feelings
about taking out the stock box and replacing with a cone or something
because my maf is already screwed and i'm afraid it'd just make
things worse(i already have some pretty good ideas for a custom
intake). i think i might consider a lighter pulley though before i
go and spend a wad on a lighter torque converter. but first i really
should concentrate on a new maf i guess.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...> wrote:
> Well, I really can't give you an exact scientific number as to how
much
> faster it revs. I did notice a difference though. I think that and
> putting my intake on were the two things that helped make for faster
> revs to redline and such. If you don't want an intake, you can do
the
> snorkelesectamy or whatever that's called, and take the snorkel out
of
> the fenderwell, and put a k&n drop in filter in.
>
> The weight is what helps the most. The lighter the crankshaft is,
ie
> less rotation mass, the faster it will respond to change. If you
want
> to get technical you can prove this with Newton's second law
F=ma. F =
> the force required to turn the shaft, think of this as the force
(power)
> produced by the pistons. a is the acceleration of the shaft. So
if we
> want to accelerate the crank (ie: rev the engine), and we have X
amount
> of force being produced from the pistons. Mass, m, is inversely
> proportional to the acceleration. If you want faster revs, ie.
> acceleration, then you have to reduce the mass.
>
> This is just the basic physics of why it does what it does, and
gets a
> lot more harry after this, but this gives you the idea behind why it
> does what it does.
>
> This ends our physics lesson for today.....

>
> Josh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike p.
> Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 10:56 AM
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Cc:
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
>
>
>
> josh, a little off topic here but how much faster are the revs
> with
> just the underdrive pulley? that'd probably fit better in my
> budget
> now than trying to get a lightened torque converter for my
soob.
> and
> one other thing, is it the weight(of the underdrive pulley) or
> the
> smaller size(it is smaller right?) that gives the quicker
revs?
>
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> wrote:
> > I'm assuming they are grinding away on the flywheel to make
it
> lighter
> > correct. How are they doing this? Are they taking away
> material
> from
> > the middle, the contact surface area, back side ? I've
heard
> that
> > resurfacing the subaru flywheels is not a good idea as it
will
> cause the
> > clutch to grab poorly and cause premature wear and tear.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: georgerbyrne@y...
> > Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 8:50 AM
> > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > Cc:
> > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> >
> >
> >
> > Am getting my flywheel lightened ATM, while converting
> my FWD
> to
> > AWD.
> > I am putting in a 4:44 ratio box with ej20-t clutch
and
> > flywheel, and
> > a Viscous LSD rear. Should be good for when i drop n
the
> new
> RS
> > RA
> > ej20-t in january. hehehe
> >
> > I was talking to my mechanic today who does alot of
> sooby
> > performance
> > mods, and he said if you machine the standard subaru
> flywheels,
> > to
> > take off 1.5mm, that will give you the best, safe
> result,
> > without
> > risking damaging parts, and definately help bring up
the
> rev's
> > faster. Anything less than that and it won't make a
big
> enough
> > difference, and any more and you can hurt stuff.
(didn't
> specify
> > what
> > though.)
> > My Legacy/liberty currently has an NA - EJ22 with a
> coupla
> mods,
> > good
> > for about 165-170hp, so hoping it will do OK with the
> flywheel
> > and
> > driveline mods, as well as a couple of dodgy backyard
> computer
> > alterations, to add about another 15hp.
> >
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...>
> wrote:
> > > thanks, that's cool they actually have them for
subys.
> now
> if
> > i
> > > could only find their email addy

> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor"
> <roderic@c...>
> > wrote:
> > > > Mike-try this web site for more info-
www.jmousa.com.
> or
> try
> > jmo
> > > world site. Either one should be able to help. BTW,
> auto
> > trannys
> > have
> > > a FLEX PLATE rather than a flywheel. The torque
> convertor
> > bolts to
> > > that instead of a conventional flywheel, though they
> both
> > perform
> > the
> > > same function. There IS something you can do to
> improve
> > > performance/reliability in regards to the flex
plate,
> but
> > without
> > an
> > > upgraded convertor, it`s not a very good use of your
> money.
> > The
> > only
> > > way I`d replace my flex plate without replacing the
> convertor
> > is if
> > > it were out of balance, teeth on the starter ring
were
> chipped
> > or
> > > missing or it was damaged. Hope this helps---ROD
> (AZ.)-----
> > Original
> > > Message -----
> > > > From: mike p.
> > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 87 PM
> > > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened
> flywheel???
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > so essentially i'd be looking for a lightened
> torque
> > converter
> > > for my
> > > > scooby eh? well, ok. i think i can live with
> that,
> just
> > have
> > > to do
> > > > some more searchin'. i'm not really worried
about
> gaining
> > any
> > hp
> > > off
> > > > the deal just quicker revs, but the hp wouldn't
> hurt
> > either:)
> > > > meanwhile if anyone digs anything up and thinks
> about it
> > i'd
> > like
> > > to
> > > > know. thanks guys.
> > > >
> > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., acroxford@h...
> wrote:
> > > > > The auto's use the torque converters housing
for
> a
> > flywheel
> > > there
> > > > have
> > > > > been light weight torque converters made but I
> don't
> > know if
> > > one
> > > > is
> > > > > made for a Suby. I have a chromoly 12lb
flywheel
> and
> the
> > engine
> > > > does
> > > > > rev quite a bit faster and I would imagine
that
> the hp
> > used
> > to
> > > turn
> > > > > the 26lb stock flywheel is mine now.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p."
> <ob1poor@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > yeah ya know what? i honestly(no seriously)
> didn't
> > think
> > > auto's
> > > > had
> > > > > > a flywheel then i got to thinking(that's
what
> threw
> > me) and
> > i
> > > > > > remember this guy i used to hang out with
said
> he
> had
> > to
> > have
> > > a
> > > > new
> > > > > > flywheel put in his bronco(also an auto)
> because he
> > broke
> > > some
> > > > teeth
> > > > > > on it or something so i checked my haynes
> manual(yup
> > misled
> > > > again)
> > > > > > and from what i understood from it the autos
> along
> > with the
> > > > manuals
> > > > > > had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i was all happy
> thinking
> > i was
> > > going
> > > > to
> > > > > > get some quicker revs....
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn"
> > <jgrahn555@h...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > If you did have a manual, you'd be able to
> get a
> > lightened
> > > > > flywheel
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > Primitive Enterprises (
> > http://www.get-primitive.com) or
> > > > Fidanza; i
> > > > > > think Jun
> > > > > > > makes one as well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Jason
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened
> > flywheel???
> > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47 -0500
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin you
> have an
> > automatic
> > > > tranny.
> > > > > > > >Auto's do not have flywheels. They use
the
> torque
> > > converter
> > > > as a
> > > > > > > >rotational damper which gives and takes
the
> > intermittent
> > > > energy
> > > > > > pulses
> > > > > > > >from the engine and smoothes it
> out...basically
> > does the
> > > same
> > > > > > thing as
> > > > > > > >flywheel in that sense.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Josh
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >************************************
> > > > > > > >Josh Colombo
> > > > > > > >jcc189@p... < mailto:jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >"Life, an ever-changing melody
> > > > > > > > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > > > > > > >************************************
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > >From: mike p. [ mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:18 PM
> > > > > > > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened
> flywheel???
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >ok, i know people use lightened pulleys
on
> subys
> > but
> > how
> > > > about a
> > > > > > > >lightened flywheel? anyone know anyone
> that
> makes
> > them
> > > for a
> > > > > suby?
> > > > > > > >to be more specific a 92 subaru legacy
> turbo(us
> > spec.
> > auto
> > > > > > > >slushbox). would it be worth it?
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acroxford@hypermall.net · Thu Oct 25, 2001 11:36 pm

Its a 12lb Chromoly

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn" <jgrahn555@h...> wrote:
> What type of flywheel do you have Al?
>
>
> >From: acroxford@h...
> >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> >Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 195:39 -0000
> >
> >I will have to agree that the idea of resurfacing Legacy flywheels
is
> >not a good idea. The original flywheels are surfaced hardened and
> >ground. Resurfacing removes the hardened surface and a few I have
seen
> >were resurfaced with a flycutter that left a pretty rough surface
and
> >didn't last long. Any resurfacing will move the position of the
clutch
> >forward and make it difficult to disengage because of the limit on
the
> >t/o bearing travel. I found that 12lbs works very good for weight
on
> >the flywheel.
> >Al (CO)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...> wrote:
> > > Well, I really can't give you an exact scientific number as to
how
> >much
> > > faster it revs. I did notice a difference though. I think that
and
> > > putting my intake on were the two things that helped make for
faster
> > > revs to redline and such. If you don't want an intake, you can
do
> >the
> > > snorkelesectamy or whatever that's called, and take the snorkel
out
> >of
> > > the fenderwell, and put a k&n drop in filter in.
> > >
> > > The weight is what helps the most. The lighter the crankshaft
is,
> >ie
> > > less rotation mass, the faster it will respond to change. If
you
> >want
> > > to get technical you can prove this with Newton's second law
F=ma.
> >F =
> > > the force required to turn the shaft, think of this as the force
> >(power)
> > > produced by the pistons. a is the acceleration of the shaft.
So if
> >we
> > > want to accelerate the crank (ie: rev the engine), and we have X
> >amount
> > > of force being produced from the pistons. Mass, m, is inversely
> > > proportional to the acceleration. If you want faster revs, ie.
> > > acceleration, then you have to reduce the mass.
> > >
> > > This is just the basic physics of why it does what it does, and
gets
> >a
> > > lot more harry after this, but this gives you the idea behind
why it
> > > does what it does.
> > >
> > > This ends our physics lesson for today.....

> > >
> > > Josh
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mike p.
> > > Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 10:56 AM
> > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > Cc:
> > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > josh, a little off topic here but how much faster are the revs
> > > with
> > > just the underdrive pulley? that'd probably fit better in my
> > > budget
> > > now than trying to get a lightened torque converter for my
> >soob.
> > > and
> > > one other thing, is it the weight(of the underdrive pulley) or
> > > the
> > > smaller size(it is smaller right?) that gives the quicker
> >revs?
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > I'm assuming they are grinding away on the flywheel to make
> >it
> > > lighter
> > > > correct. How are they doing this? Are they taking away
> > > material
> > > from
> > > > the middle, the contact surface area, back side ? I've
> >heard
> > > that
> > > > resurfacing the subaru flywheels is not a good idea as it
> >will
> > > cause the
> > > > clutch to grab poorly and cause premature wear and tear.
> > > >
> > > > Josh
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: georgerbyrne@y...
> > > > Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 8:50 AM
> > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > Cc:
> > > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am getting my flywheel lightened ATM, while converting
> > > my FWD
> > > to
> > > > AWD.
> > > > I am putting in a 4:44 ratio box with ej20-t clutch
> >and
> > > > flywheel, and
> > > > a Viscous LSD rear. Should be good for when i drop n
> >the
> > > new
> > > RS
> > > > RA
> > > > ej20-t in january. hehehe
> > > >
> > > > I was talking to my mechanic today who does alot of
> > > sooby
> > > > performance
> > > > mods, and he said if you machine the standard subaru
> > > flywheels,
> > > > to
> > > > take off 1.5mm, that will give you the best, safe
> > > result,
> > > > without
> > > > risking damaging parts, and definately help bring up
> >the
> > > rev's
> > > > faster. Anything less than that and it won't make a
> >big
> > > enough
> > > > difference, and any more and you can hurt stuff.
> >(didn't
> > > specify
> > > > what
> > > > though.)
> > > > My Legacy/liberty currently has an NA - EJ22 with a
> > > coupla
> > > mods,
> > > > good
> > > > for about 165-170hp, so hoping it will do OK with the
> > > flywheel
> > > > and
> > > > driveline mods, as well as a couple of dodgy backyard
> > > computer
> > > > alterations, to add about another 15hp.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > thanks, that's cool they actually have them for
> >subys.
> > > now
> > > if
> > > > i
> > > > > could only find their email addy

> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor"
> > > <roderic@c...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Mike-try this web site for more
> >info-www.jmousa.com.
> > > or
> > > try
> > > > jmo
> > > > > world site. Either one should be able to help. BTW,
> > > auto
> > > > trannys
> > > > have
> > > > > a FLEX PLATE rather than a flywheel. The torque
> > > convertor
> > > > bolts to
> > > > > that instead of a conventional flywheel, though they
> > > both
> > > > perform
> > > > the
> > > > > same function. There IS something you can do to
> > > improve
> > > > > performance/reliability in regards to the flex
> >plate,
> > > but
> > > > without
> > > > an
> > > > > upgraded convertor, it`s not a very good use of your
> > > money.
> > > > The
> > > > only
> > > > > way I`d replace my flex plate without replacing the
> > > convertor
> > > > is if
> > > > > it were out of balance, teeth on the starter ring
> >were
> > > chipped
> > > > or
> > > > > missing or it was damaged. Hope this helps---ROD
> > > (AZ.)-----
> > > > Original
> > > > > Message -----
> > > > > > From: mike p.
> > > > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 87 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened
> > > flywheel???
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > so essentially i'd be looking for a lightened
> > > torque
> > > > converter
> > > > > for my
> > > > > > scooby eh? well, ok. i think i can live with
> > > that,
> > > just
> > > > have
> > > > > to do
> > > > > > some more searchin'. i'm not really worried
> >about
> > > gaining
> > > > any
> > > > hp
> > > > > off
> > > > > > the deal just quicker revs, but the hp wouldn't
> > > hurt
> > > > either:)
> > > > > > meanwhile if anyone digs anything up and thinks
> > > about it
> > > > i'd
> > > > like
> > > > > to
> > > > > > know. thanks guys.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., acroxford@h...
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > The auto's use the torque converters housing
> >for
> > > a
> > > > flywheel
> > > > > there
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > been light weight torque converters made but I
> > > don't
> > > > know if
> > > > > one
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > made for a Suby. I have a chromoly 12lb
> >flywheel
> > > and
> > > the
> > > > engine
> > > > > > does
> > > > > > > rev quite a bit faster and I would imagine
> >that
> > > the hp
> > > > used
> > > > to
> > > > > turn
> > > > > > > the 26lb stock flywheel is mine now.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p."
> > > <ob1poor@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > yeah ya know what? i honestly(no seriously)
> > > didn't
> > > > think
> > > > > auto's
> > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > a flywheel then i got to thinking(that's
> >what
> > > threw
> > > > me) and
> > > > i
> > > > > > > > remember this guy i used to hang out with
> >said
> > > he
> > > had
> > > > to
> > > > have
> > > > > a
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > flywheel put in his bronco(also an auto)
> > > because he
> > > > broke
> > > > > some
> > > > > > teeth
> > > > > > > > on it or something so i checked my haynes
> > > manual(yup
> > > > misled
> > > > > > again)
> > > > > > > > and from what i understood from it the autos
> > > along
> > > > with the
> > > > > > manuals
> > > > > > > > had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i was all happy
> > > thinking
> > > > i was
> > > > > going
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > get some quicker revs....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn"
> > > > <jgrahn555@h...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > If you did have a manual, you'd be able to
> > > get a
> > > > lightened
> > > > > > > flywheel
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > Primitive Enterprises (
> > > > http://www.get-primitive.com) or
> > > > > > Fidanza; i
> > > > > > > > think Jun
> > > > > > > > > makes one as well.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -Jason
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > > > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened
> > > > flywheel???
> > > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47 -0500
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin you
> > > have an
> > > > automatic
> > > > > > tranny.
> > > > > > > > > >Auto's do not have flywheels. They use
> >the
> > > torque
> > > > > converter
> > > > > > as a
> > > > > > > > > >rotational damper which gives and takes
> >the
> > > > intermittent
> > > > > > energy
> > > > > > > > pulses
> > > > > > > > > >from the engine and smoothes it
> > > out...basically
> > > > does the
> > > > > same
> > > > > > > > thing as
> > > > > > > > > >flywheel in that sense.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Josh
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >************************************
> > > > > > > > > >Josh Colombo
> > > > > > > > > >jcc189@p... < mailto:jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >"Life, an ever-changing melody
> > > > > > > > > > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > > > > > > > > >************************************
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > >From: mike p. [ mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > > > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:18 PM
> > > > > > > > > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > > > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened
> > > flywheel???
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >ok, i know people use lightened pulleys
> >on
> > > subys
> > > > but
> > > > how
> > > > > > about a
> > > > > > > > > >lightened flywheel? anyone know anyone
> > > that
> > > makes
> > > > them
> > > > > for a
> > > > > > > suby?
> > > > > > > > > >to be more specific a 92 subaru legacy
> > > turbo(us
> > > > spec.
> > > > auto
> > > > > > > > > >slushbox). would it be worth it?
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Rod Grosvenor · Post by **Rod Grosvenor** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 9:44 am

Mike-I have an underdrive pulley; the hp is increased due to less weight, not the diameter of the pulley. Unorthodox now offers a STOCK size light pulley that uses the stock belts. It`s much easier to use as you don`t fiddle around looking for the correct size belts. You get the same results with either pulley. Does it make hp? Yes- 5 to 12 hp depending on engine modifications. Would I recommend it? Yes-it`s a good mod. Will my engine rev quicker? You probably won`t notice the difference. Hope this helps---ROD (AZ.)

----- Original Message -----
From: mike p. <mailto:ob1poor@yahoo.com>
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:56 AM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???

josh, a little off topic here but how much faster are the revs with
just the underdrive pulley? that'd probably fit better in my budget
now than trying to get a lightened torque converter for my soob. and
one other thing, is it the weight(of the underdrive pulley) or the
smaller size(it is smaller right?) that gives the quicker revs?

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...> wrote:
> I'm assuming they are grinding away on the flywheel to make it
lighter
> correct. How are they doing this? Are they taking away material
from
> the middle, the contact surface area, back side ? I've heard that
> resurfacing the subaru flywheels is not a good idea as it will
cause the
> clutch to grab poorly and cause premature wear and tear.
>
> Josh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: georgerbyrne@y...
> Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 8:50 AM
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Cc:
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
>
>
>
> Am getting my flywheel lightened ATM, while converting my FWD
to
> AWD.
> I am putting in a 4:44 ratio box with ej20-t clutch and
> flywheel, and
> a Viscous LSD rear. Should be good for when i drop n the new
RS
> RA
> ej20-t in january. hehehe
>
> I was talking to my mechanic today who does alot of sooby
> performance
> mods, and he said if you machine the standard subaru
flywheels,
> to
> take off 1.5mm, that will give you the best, safe result,
> without
> risking damaging parts, and definately help bring up the rev's
> faster. Anything less than that and it won't make a big enough
> difference, and any more and you can hurt stuff. (didn't
specify
> what
> though.)
> My Legacy/liberty currently has an NA - EJ22 with a coupla
mods,
> good
> for about 165-170hp, so hoping it will do OK with the flywheel
> and
> driveline mods, as well as a couple of dodgy backyard computer
> alterations, to add about another 15hp.
>
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> > thanks, that's cool they actually have them for subys. now
if
> i
> > could only find their email addy

> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor" <roderic@c...>
> wrote:
> > > Mike-try this web site for more info-www.jmousa.com. or
try
> jmo
> > world site. Either one should be able to help. BTW, auto
> trannys
> have
> > a FLEX PLATE rather than a flywheel. The torque convertor
> bolts to
> > that instead of a conventional flywheel, though they both
> perform
> the
> > same function. There IS something you can do to improve
> > performance/reliability in regards to the flex plate, but
> without
> an
> > upgraded convertor, it`s not a very good use of your money.
> The
> only
> > way I`d replace my flex plate without replacing the
convertor
> is if
> > it were out of balance, teeth on the starter ring were
chipped
> or
> > missing or it was damaged. Hope this helps---ROD (AZ.)-----
> Original
> > Message -----
> > > From: mike p.
> > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 87 PM
> > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> > >
> > >
> > > so essentially i'd be looking for a lightened torque
> converter
> > for my
> > > scooby eh? well, ok. i think i can live with that,
just
> have
> > to do
> > > some more searchin'. i'm not really worried about
gaining
> any
> hp
> > off
> > > the deal just quicker revs, but the hp wouldn't hurt
> either:)
> > > meanwhile if anyone digs anything up and thinks about it
> i'd
> like
> > to
> > > know. thanks guys.
> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., acroxford@h... wrote:
> > > > The auto's use the torque converters housing for a
> flywheel
> > there
> > > have
> > > > been light weight torque converters made but I don't
> know if
> > one
> > > is
> > > > made for a Suby. I have a chromoly 12lb flywheel and
the
> engine
> > > does
> > > > rev quite a bit faster and I would imagine that the hp
> used
> to
> > turn
> > > > the 26lb stock flywheel is mine now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...>
> wrote:
> > > > > yeah ya know what? i honestly(no seriously) didn't
> think
> > auto's
> > > had
> > > > > a flywheel then i got to thinking(that's what threw
> me) and
> i
> > > > > remember this guy i used to hang out with said he
had
> to
> have
> > a
> > > new
> > > > > flywheel put in his bronco(also an auto) because he
> broke
> > some
> > > teeth
> > > > > on it or something so i checked my haynes manual(yup
> misled
> > > again)
> > > > > and from what i understood from it the autos along
> with the
> > > manuals
> > > > > had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i was all happy
thinking
> i was
> > going
> > > to
> > > > > get some quicker revs....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn"
> <jgrahn555@h...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > If you did have a manual, you'd be able to get a
> lightened
> > > > flywheel
> > > > > from
> > > > > > Primitive Enterprises (
> http://www.get-primitive.com) or
> > > Fidanza; i
> > > > > think Jun
> > > > > > makes one as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Jason
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > > > > > >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened
> flywheel???
> > > > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47 -0500
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin you have an
> automatic
> > > tranny.
> > > > > > >Auto's do not have flywheels. They use the
torque
> > converter
> > > as a
> > > > > > >rotational damper which gives and takes the
> intermittent
> > > energy
> > > > > pulses
> > > > > > >from the engine and smoothes it out...basically
> does the
> > same
> > > > > thing as
> > > > > > >flywheel in that sense.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Josh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >************************************
> > > > > > >Josh Colombo
> > > > > > >jcc189@p... < mailto:jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >"Life, an ever-changing melody
> > > > > > > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > > > > > >************************************
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >From: mike p. [ mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > > > > > >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:18 PM
> > > > > > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened flywheel???
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >ok, i know people use lightened pulleys on subys
> but
> how
> > > about a
> > > > > > >lightened flywheel? anyone know anyone that
makes
> them
> > for a
> > > > suby?
> > > > > > >to be more specific a 92 subaru legacy turbo(us
> spec.
> auto
> > > > > > >slushbox). would it be worth it?
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Rod Grosvenor · Post by **Rod Grosvenor** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 9:49 am

Mike-try a K&N filter in your stock air box (if you have`nt already.) I have that set-up with an aftermarket turbo & the car runs flawlessly. Be careful with a cone filter unless you`re drawing COLD AIR from somewhere. If not, your engine will be using the underhood (hot!) air--not good. Needless to say, my MAF has 164k & never has had a problem. Hope this helps---ROD (AZ.)

----- Original Message -----
From: mike p. <mailto:ob1poor@yahoo.com>
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 7:10 PM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???

hmmm... yeah i removed the snorkel but still have mixed feelings
about taking out the stock box and replacing with a cone or something
because my maf is already screwed and i'm afraid it'd just make
things worse(i already have some pretty good ideas for a custom
intake). i think i might consider a lighter pulley though before i
go and spend a wad on a lighter torque converter. but first i really
should concentrate on a new maf i guess.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...> wrote:
> Well, I really can't give you an exact scientific number as to how
much
> faster it revs. I did notice a difference though. I think that and
> putting my intake on were the two things that helped make for faster
> revs to redline and such. If you don't want an intake, you can do
the
> snorkelesectamy or whatever that's called, and take the snorkel out
of
> the fenderwell, and put a k&n drop in filter in.
>
> The weight is what helps the most. The lighter the crankshaft is,
ie
> less rotation mass, the faster it will respond to change. If you
want
> to get technical you can prove this with Newton's second law
F=ma. F =
> the force required to turn the shaft, think of this as the force
(power)
> produced by the pistons. a is the acceleration of the shaft. So
if we
> want to accelerate the crank (ie: rev the engine), and we have X
amount
> of force being produced from the pistons. Mass, m, is inversely
> proportional to the acceleration. If you want faster revs, ie.
> acceleration, then you have to reduce the mass.
>
> This is just the basic physics of why it does what it does, and
gets a
> lot more harry after this, but this gives you the idea behind why it
> does what it does.
>
> This ends our physics lesson for today.....

>
> Josh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike p.
> Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 10:56 AM
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Cc:
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
>
>
>
> josh, a little off topic here but how much faster are the revs
> with
> just the underdrive pulley? that'd probably fit better in my
> budget
> now than trying to get a lightened torque converter for my
soob.
> and
> one other thing, is it the weight(of the underdrive pulley) or
> the
> smaller size(it is smaller right?) that gives the quicker
revs?
>
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> wrote:
> > I'm assuming they are grinding away on the flywheel to make
it
> lighter
> > correct. How are they doing this? Are they taking away
> material
> from
> > the middle, the contact surface area, back side ? I've
heard
> that
> > resurfacing the subaru flywheels is not a good idea as it
will
> cause the
> > clutch to grab poorly and cause premature wear and tear.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: georgerbyrne@y...
> > Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 8:50 AM
> > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > Cc:
> > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> >
> >
> >
> > Am getting my flywheel lightened ATM, while converting
> my FWD
> to
> > AWD.
> > I am putting in a 4:44 ratio box with ej20-t clutch
and
> > flywheel, and
> > a Viscous LSD rear. Should be good for when i drop n
the
> new
> RS
> > RA
> > ej20-t in january. hehehe
> >
> > I was talking to my mechanic today who does alot of
> sooby
> > performance
> > mods, and he said if you machine the standard subaru
> flywheels,
> > to
> > take off 1.5mm, that will give you the best, safe
> result,
> > without
> > risking damaging parts, and definately help bring up
the
> rev's
> > faster. Anything less than that and it won't make a
big
> enough
> > difference, and any more and you can hurt stuff.
(didn't
> specify
> > what
> > though.)
> > My Legacy/liberty currently has an NA - EJ22 with a
> coupla
> mods,
> > good
> > for about 165-170hp, so hoping it will do OK with the
> flywheel
> > and
> > driveline mods, as well as a couple of dodgy backyard
> computer
> > alterations, to add about another 15hp.
> >
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...>
> wrote:
> > > thanks, that's cool they actually have them for
subys.
> now
> if
> > i
> > > could only find their email addy

> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor"
> <roderic@c...>
> > wrote:
> > > > Mike-try this web site for more info-
www.jmousa.com.
> or
> try
> > jmo
> > > world site. Either one should be able to help. BTW,
> auto
> > trannys
> > have
> > > a FLEX PLATE rather than a flywheel. The torque
> convertor
> > bolts to
> > > that instead of a conventional flywheel, though they
> both
> > perform
> > the
> > > same function. There IS something you can do to
> improve
> > > performance/reliability in regards to the flex
plate,
> but
> > without
> > an
> > > upgraded convertor, it`s not a very good use of your
> money.
> > The
> > only
> > > way I`d replace my flex plate without replacing the
> convertor
> > is if
> > > it were out of balance, teeth on the starter ring
were
> chipped
> > or
> > > missing or it was damaged. Hope this helps---ROD
> (AZ.)-----
> > Original
> > > Message -----
> > > > From: mike p.
> > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 87 PM
> > > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened
> flywheel???
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > so essentially i'd be looking for a lightened
> torque
> > converter
> > > for my
> > > > scooby eh? well, ok. i think i can live with
> that,
> just
> > have
> > > to do
> > > > some more searchin'. i'm not really worried
about
> gaining
> > any
> > hp
> > > off
> > > > the deal just quicker revs, but the hp wouldn't
> hurt
> > either:)
> > > > meanwhile if anyone digs anything up and thinks
> about it
> > i'd
> > like
> > > to
> > > > know. thanks guys.
> > > >
> > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., acroxford@h...
> wrote:
> > > > > The auto's use the torque converters housing
for
> a
> > flywheel
> > > there
> > > > have
> > > > > been light weight torque converters made but I
> don't
> > know if
> > > one
> > > > is
> > > > > made for a Suby. I have a chromoly 12lb
flywheel
> and
> the
> > engine
> > > > does
> > > > > rev quite a bit faster and I would imagine
that
> the hp
> > used
> > to
> > > turn
> > > > > the 26lb stock flywheel is mine now.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p."
> <ob1poor@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > yeah ya know what? i honestly(no seriously)
> didn't
> > think
> > > auto's
> > > > had
> > > > > > a flywheel then i got to thinking(that's
what
> threw
> > me) and
> > i
> > > > > > remember this guy i used to hang out with
said
> he
> had
> > to
> > have
> > > a
> > > > new
> > > > > > flywheel put in his bronco(also an auto)
> because he
> > broke
> > > some
> > > > teeth
> > > > > > on it or something so i checked my haynes
> manual(yup
> > misled
> > > > again)
> > > > > > and from what i understood from it the autos
> along
> > with the
> > > > manuals
> > > > > > had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i was all happy
> thinking
> > i was
> > > going
> > > > to
> > > > > > get some quicker revs....
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn"
> > <jgrahn555@h...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > If you did have a manual, you'd be able to
> get a
> > lightened
> > > > > flywheel
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > Primitive Enterprises (
> > http://www.get-primitive.com) or
> > > > Fidanza; i
> > > > > > think Jun
> > > > > > > makes one as well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Jason
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened
> > flywheel???
> > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47 -0500
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin you
> have an
> > automatic
> > > > tranny.
> > > > > > > >Auto's do not have flywheels. They use
the
> torque
> > > converter
> > > > as a
> > > > > > > >rotational damper which gives and takes
the
> > intermittent
> > > > energy
> > > > > > pulses
> > > > > > > >from the engine and smoothes it
> out...basically
> > does the
> > > same
> > > > > > thing as
> > > > > > > >flywheel in that sense.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Josh
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >************************************
> > > > > > > >Josh Colombo
> > > > > > > >jcc189@p... < mailto:jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >"Life, an ever-changing melody
> > > > > > > > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > > > > > > >************************************
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > >From: mike p. [ mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:18 PM
> > > > > > > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened
> flywheel???
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >ok, i know people use lightened pulleys
on
> subys
> > but
> > how
> > > > about a
> > > > > > > >lightened flywheel? anyone know anyone
> that
> makes
> > them
> > > for a
> > > > > suby?
> > > > > > > >to be more specific a 92 subaru legacy
> turbo(us
> > spec.
> > auto
> > > > > > > >slushbox). would it be worth it?
> > > > > > > >
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mike p. · Post by **mike p.** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 12:51 pm

yup, that's what i think i'm going to shoot for as far as an air
filter goes, then maybe add some ducting to either bring air in from
the front of the car(kinda sits to low for me though, i like mud:) or
i was thinking about an idea of cutting a hole in the side of the
fender and mounting a reverse air ram kinda deal to suck cooler
outside air into the fender well to get it to the box.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor" <roderic@c...> wrote:
> Mike-try a K&N filter in your stock air box (if you have`nt
already.) I have that set-up with an aftermarket turbo & the car runs
flawlessly. Be careful with a cone filter unless you`re drawing COLD
AIR from somewhere. If not, your engine will be using the underhood
(hot!) air--not good. Needless to say, my MAF has 164k & never has
had a problem. Hope this helps---ROD (AZ.)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mike p.
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 7:10 PM
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
>
>
> hmmm... yeah i removed the snorkel but still have mixed feelings
> about taking out the stock box and replacing with a cone or
something
> because my maf is already screwed and i'm afraid it'd just make
> things worse(i already have some pretty good ideas for a custom
> intake). i think i might consider a lighter pulley though before
i
> go and spend a wad on a lighter torque converter. but first i
really
> should concentrate on a new maf i guess.
>
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...> wrote:
> > Well, I really can't give you an exact scientific number as to
how
> much
> > faster it revs. I did notice a difference though. I think
that and
> > putting my intake on were the two things that helped make for
faster
> > revs to redline and such. If you don't want an intake, you can
do
> the
> > snorkelesectamy or whatever that's called, and take the snorkel
out
> of
> > the fenderwell, and put a k&n drop in filter in.
> >
> > The weight is what helps the most. The lighter the crankshaft
is,
> ie
> > less rotation mass, the faster it will respond to change. If
you
> want
> > to get technical you can prove this with Newton's second law
> F=ma. F =
> > the force required to turn the shaft, think of this as the
force
> (power)
> > produced by the pistons. a is the acceleration of the shaft.
So
> if we
> > want to accelerate the crank (ie: rev the engine), and we have
X
> amount
> > of force being produced from the pistons. Mass, m, is inversely
> > proportional to the acceleration. If you want faster revs, ie.
> > acceleration, then you have to reduce the mass.
> >
> > This is just the basic physics of why it does what it does, and
> gets a
> > lot more harry after this, but this gives you the idea behind
why it
> > does what it does.
> >
> > This ends our physics lesson for today.....

> >
> > Josh
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mike p.
> > Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 10:56 AM
> > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > Cc:
> > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> >
> >
> >
> > josh, a little off topic here but how much faster are the
revs
> > with
> > just the underdrive pulley? that'd probably fit better
in my
> > budget
> > now than trying to get a lightened torque converter for
my
> soob.
> > and
> > one other thing, is it the weight(of the underdrive
pulley) or
> > the
> > smaller size(it is smaller right?) that gives the quicker
> revs?
> >
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > wrote:
> > > I'm assuming they are grinding away on the flywheel to
make
> it
> > lighter
> > > correct. How are they doing this? Are they taking away
> > material
> > from
> > > the middle, the contact surface area, back side ? I've
> heard
> > that
> > > resurfacing the subaru flywheels is not a good idea as
it
> will
> > cause the
> > > clutch to grab poorly and cause premature wear and tear.
> > >
> > > Josh
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: georgerbyrne@y...
> > > Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 8:50 AM
> > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > Cc:
> > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened
flywheel???
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Am getting my flywheel lightened ATM, while
converting
> > my FWD
> > to
> > > AWD.
> > > I am putting in a 4:44 ratio box with ej20-t
clutch
> and
> > > flywheel, and
> > > a Viscous LSD rear. Should be good for when i
drop n
> the
> > new
> > RS
> > > RA
> > > ej20-t in january. hehehe
> > >
> > > I was talking to my mechanic today who does alot
of
> > sooby
> > > performance
> > > mods, and he said if you machine the standard
subaru
> > flywheels,
> > > to
> > > take off 1.5mm, that will give you the best, safe
> > result,
> > > without
> > > risking damaging parts, and definately help bring
up
> the
> > rev's
> > > faster. Anything less than that and it won't make
a
> big
> > enough
> > > difference, and any more and you can hurt stuff.
> (didn't
> > specify
> > > what
> > > though.)
> > > My Legacy/liberty currently has an NA - EJ22 with
a
> > coupla
> > mods,
> > > good
> > > for about 165-170hp, so hoping it will do OK with
the
> > flywheel
> > > and
> > > driveline mods, as well as a couple of dodgy
backyard
> > computer
> > > alterations, to add about another 15hp.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p."
<ob1poor@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > > thanks, that's cool they actually have them for
> subys.
> > now
> > if
> > > i
> > > > could only find their email addy

> > > >
> > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor"
> > <roderic@c...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Mike-try this web site for more info-
> www.jmousa.com.
> > or
> > try
> > > jmo
> > > > world site. Either one should be able to help.
BTW,
> > auto
> > > trannys
> > > have
> > > > a FLEX PLATE rather than a flywheel. The torque
> > convertor
> > > bolts to
> > > > that instead of a conventional flywheel, though
they
> > both
> > > perform
> > > the
> > > > same function. There IS something you can do to
> > improve
> > > > performance/reliability in regards to the flex
> plate,
> > but
> > > without
> > > an
> > > > upgraded convertor, it`s not a very good use of
your
> > money.
> > > The
> > > only
> > > > way I`d replace my flex plate without replacing
the
> > convertor
> > > is if
> > > > it were out of balance, teeth on the starter
ring
> were
> > chipped
> > > or
> > > > missing or it was damaged. Hope this helps---ROD
> > (AZ.)-----
> > > Original
> > > > Message -----
> > > > > From: mike p.
> > > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 87 PM
> > > > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened
> > flywheel???
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > so essentially i'd be looking for a
lightened
> > torque
> > > converter
> > > > for my
> > > > > scooby eh? well, ok. i think i can live
with
> > that,
> > just
> > > have
> > > > to do
> > > > > some more searchin'. i'm not really
worried
> about
> > gaining
> > > any
> > > hp
> > > > off
> > > > > the deal just quicker revs, but the hp
wouldn't
> > hurt
> > > either:)
> > > > > meanwhile if anyone digs anything up and
thinks
> > about it
> > > i'd
> > > like
> > > > to
> > > > > know. thanks guys.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., acroxford@h...
> > wrote:
> > > > > > The auto's use the torque converters
housing
> for
> > a
> > > flywheel
> > > > there
> > > > > have
> > > > > > been light weight torque converters made
but I
> > don't
> > > know if
> > > > one
> > > > > is
> > > > > > made for a Suby. I have a chromoly 12lb
> flywheel
> > and
> > the
> > > engine
> > > > > does
> > > > > > rev quite a bit faster and I would
imagine
> that
> > the hp
> > > used
> > > to
> > > > turn
> > > > > > the 26lb stock flywheel is mine now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p."
> > <ob1poor@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > yeah ya know what? i honestly(no
seriously)
> > didn't
> > > think
> > > > auto's
> > > > > had
> > > > > > > a flywheel then i got to thinking
(that's
> what
> > threw
> > > me) and
> > > i
> > > > > > > remember this guy i used to hang out
with
> said
> > he
> > had
> > > to
> > > have
> > > > a
> > > > > new
> > > > > > > flywheel put in his bronco(also an auto)
> > because he
> > > broke
> > > > some
> > > > > teeth
> > > > > > > on it or something so i checked my
haynes
> > manual(yup
> > > misled
> > > > > again)
> > > > > > > and from what i understood from it the
autos
> > along
> > > with the
> > > > > manuals
> > > > > > > had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i was all
happy
> > thinking
> > > i was
> > > > going
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > get some quicker revs....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason
grahn"
> > > <jgrahn555@h...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > If you did have a manual, you'd be
able to
> > get a
> > > lightened
> > > > > > flywheel
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > Primitive Enterprises (
> > > http://www.get-primitive.com) or
> > > > > Fidanza; i
> > > > > > > think Jun
> > > > > > > > makes one as well.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Jason
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks]
lightened
> > > flywheel???
> > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47 -0500
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin
you
> > have an
> > > automatic
> > > > > tranny.
> > > > > > > > >Auto's do not have flywheels. They
use
> the
> > torque
> > > > converter
> > > > > as a
> > > > > > > > >rotational damper which gives and
takes
> the
> > > intermittent
> > > > > energy
> > > > > > > pulses
> > > > > > > > >from the engine and smoothes it
> > out...basically
> > > does the
> > > > same
> > > > > > > thing as
> > > > > > > > >flywheel in that sense.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Josh
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >************************************
> > > > > > > > >Josh Colombo
> > > > > > > > >jcc189@p... < mailto:jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >"Life, an ever-changing melody
> > > > > > > > > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > > > > > > > >************************************
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > >From: mike p. [ mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:18
PM
> > > > > > > > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] lightened
> > flywheel???
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >ok, i know people use lightened
pulleys
> on
> > subys
> > > but
> > > how
> > > > > about a
> > > > > > > > >lightened flywheel? anyone know
anyone
> > that
> > makes
> > > them
> > > > for a
> > > > > > suby?
> > > > > > > > >to be more specific a 92 subaru
legacy
> > turbo(us
> > > spec.
> > > auto
> > > > > > > > >slushbox). would it be worth it?
> > > > > > > > >
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acroxford@hypermall.net · Fri Oct 26, 2001 2:14 pm

I have a k&N mounted under the left fender I measured ths under hood
temps in traffic and the engine compartment was 177 F and under the
fender was 97 F I was told that 8 degrees into the turbo is 8 hp ??
You can see part of it in the files section under "oil separator" .
The filter is mounted low behind a front vent where the driving lights
used to be. I checked it at 5k miles and it did not seem to be any
dirtier than when mounted in the engine compartment. The smaller
underdrive pulley will save a few hp but can cause poor AC in hot
weather and some charging problems if you have a heavy load like a
big Stereo.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> yup, that's what i think i'm going to shoot for as far as an air
> filter goes, then maybe add some ducting to either bring air in from
> the front of the car(kinda sits to low for me though, i like mud:)
or
> i was thinking about an idea of cutting a hole in the side of the
> fender and mounting a reverse air ram kinda deal to suck cooler
> outside air into the fender well to get it to the box.
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor" <roderic@c...> wrote:
> > Mike-try a K&N filter in your stock air box (if you have`nt
> already.) I have that set-up with an aftermarket turbo & the car
runs
> flawlessly. Be careful with a cone filter unless you`re drawing COLD
> AIR from somewhere. If not, your engine will be using the underhood
> (hot!) air--not good. Needless to say, my MAF has 164k & never has
> had a problem. Hope this helps---ROD (AZ.)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: mike p.
> > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 7:10 PM
> > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> >
> >
> > hmmm... yeah i removed the snorkel but still have mixed feelings
> > about taking out the stock box and replacing with a cone or
> something
> > because my maf is already screwed and i'm afraid it'd just make
> > things worse(i already have some pretty good ideas for a custom
> > intake). i think i might consider a lighter pulley though
before
> i
> > go and spend a wad on a lighter torque converter. but first i
> really
> > should concentrate on a new maf i guess.
> >
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
wrote:
> > > Well, I really can't give you an exact scientific number as to
> how
> > much
> > > faster it revs. I did notice a difference though. I think
> that and
> > > putting my intake on were the two things that helped make for
> faster
> > > revs to redline and such. If you don't want an intake, you
can
> do
> > the
> > > snorkelesectamy or whatever that's called, and take the
snorkel
> out
> > of
> > > the fenderwell, and put a k&n drop in filter in.
> > >
> > > The weight is what helps the most. The lighter the crankshaft
> is,
> > ie
> > > less rotation mass, the faster it will respond to change. If
> you
> > want
> > > to get technical you can prove this with Newton's second law
> > F=ma. F =
> > > the force required to turn the shaft, think of this as the
> force
> > (power)
> > > produced by the pistons. a is the acceleration of the shaft.
> So
> > if we
> > > want to accelerate the crank (ie: rev the engine), and we have
> X
> > amount
> > > of force being produced from the pistons. Mass, m, is
inversely
> > > proportional to the acceleration. If you want faster revs,
ie.
> > > acceleration, then you have to reduce the mass.
> > >
> > > This is just the basic physics of why it does what it does,
and
> > gets a
> > > lot more harry after this, but this gives you the idea behind
> why it
> > > does what it does.
> > >
> > > This ends our physics lesson for today.....

> > >
> > > Josh
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mike p.
> > > Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 10:56 AM
> > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > Cc:
> > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > josh, a little off topic here but how much faster are
the
> revs
> > > with
> > > just the underdrive pulley? that'd probably fit better
> in my
> > > budget
> > > now than trying to get a lightened torque converter for
> my
> > soob.
> > > and
> > > one other thing, is it the weight(of the underdrive
> pulley) or
> > > the
> > > smaller size(it is smaller right?) that gives the
quicker
> > revs?
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo"
<jcc189@p...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > I'm assuming they are grinding away on the flywheel to
> make
> > it
> > > lighter
> > > > correct. How are they doing this? Are they taking
away
> > > material
> > > from
> > > > the middle, the contact surface area, back side ?
I've
> > heard
> > > that
> > > > resurfacing the subaru flywheels is not a good idea as
> it
> > will
> > > cause the
> > > > clutch to grab poorly and cause premature wear and
tear.
> > > >
> > > > Josh
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: georgerbyrne@y...
> > > > Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 8:50 AM
> > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > Cc:
> > > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened
> flywheel???
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am getting my flywheel lightened ATM, while
> converting
> > > my FWD
> > > to
> > > > AWD.
> > > > I am putting in a 4:44 ratio box with ej20-t
> clutch
> > and
> > > > flywheel, and
> > > > a Viscous LSD rear. Should be good for when i
> drop n
> > the
> > > new
> > > RS
> > > > RA
> > > > ej20-t in january. hehehe
> > > >
> > > > I was talking to my mechanic today who does alot
> of
> > > sooby
> > > > performance
> > > > mods, and he said if you machine the standard
> subaru
> > > flywheels,
> > > > to
> > > > take off 1.5mm, that will give you the best,
safe
> > > result,
> > > > without
> > > > risking damaging parts, and definately help
bring
> up
> > the
> > > rev's
> > > > faster. Anything less than that and it won't
make
> a
> > big
> > > enough
> > > > difference, and any more and you can hurt stuff.
> > (didn't
> > > specify
> > > > what
> > > > though.)
> > > > My Legacy/liberty currently has an NA - EJ22
with
> a
> > > coupla
> > > mods,
> > > > good
> > > > for about 165-170hp, so hoping it will do OK
with
> the
> > > flywheel
> > > > and
> > > > driveline mods, as well as a couple of dodgy
> backyard
> > > computer
> > > > alterations, to add about another 15hp.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p."
> <ob1poor@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > thanks, that's cool they actually have them
for
> > subys.
> > > now
> > > if
> > > > i
> > > > > could only find their email addy

> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor"
> > > <roderic@c...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Mike-try this web site for more info-
> > www.jmousa.com.
> > > or
> > > try
> > > > jmo
> > > > > world site. Either one should be able to help.
> BTW,
> > > auto
> > > > trannys
> > > > have
> > > > > a FLEX PLATE rather than a flywheel. The
torque
> > > convertor
> > > > bolts to
> > > > > that instead of a conventional flywheel,
though
> they
> > > both
> > > > perform
> > > > the
> > > > > same function. There IS something you can do
to
> > > improve
> > > > > performance/reliability in regards to the flex
> > plate,
> > > but
> > > > without
> > > > an
> > > > > upgraded convertor, it`s not a very good use
of
> your
> > > money.
> > > > The
> > > > only
> > > > > way I`d replace my flex plate without
replacing
> the
> > > convertor
> > > > is if
> > > > > it were out of balance, teeth on the starter
> ring
> > were
> > > chipped
> > > > or
> > > > > missing or it was damaged. Hope this
helps---ROD
> > > (AZ.)-----
> > > > Original
> > > > > Message -----
> > > > > > From: mike p.
> > > > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 87 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened
> > > flywheel???
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > so essentially i'd be looking for a
> lightened
> > > torque
> > > > converter
> > > > > for my
> > > > > > scooby eh? well, ok. i think i can live
> with
> > > that,
> > > just
> > > > have
> > > > > to do
> > > > > > some more searchin'. i'm not really
> worried
> > about
> > > gaining
> > > > any
> > > > hp
> > > > > off
> > > > > > the deal just quicker revs, but the hp
> wouldn't
> > > hurt
> > > > either:)
> > > > > > meanwhile if anyone digs anything up and
> thinks
> > > about it
> > > > i'd
> > > > like
> > > > > to
> > > > > > know. thanks guys.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...,
acroxford@h...
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > The auto's use the torque converters
> housing
> > for
> > > a
> > > > flywheel
> > > > > there
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > been light weight torque converters made
> but I
> > > don't
> > > > know if
> > > > > one
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > made for a Suby. I have a chromoly 12lb
> > flywheel
> > > and
> > > the
> > > > engine
> > > > > > does
> > > > > > > rev quite a bit faster and I would
> imagine
> > that
> > > the hp
> > > > used
> > > > to
> > > > > turn
> > > > > > > the 26lb stock flywheel is mine now.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p."
> > > <ob1poor@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > yeah ya know what? i honestly(no
> seriously)
> > > didn't
> > > > think
> > > > > auto's
> > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > a flywheel then i got to thinking
> (that's
> > what
> > > threw
> > > > me) and
> > > > i
> > > > > > > > remember this guy i used to hang out
> with
> > said
> > > he
> > > had
> > > > to
> > > > have
> > > > > a
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > flywheel put in his bronco(also an
auto)
> > > because he
> > > > broke
> > > > > some
> > > > > > teeth
> > > > > > > > on it or something so i checked my
> haynes
> > > manual(yup
> > > > misled
> > > > > > again)
> > > > > > > > and from what i understood from it the
> autos
> > > along
> > > > with the
> > > > > > manuals
> > > > > > > > had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i was all
> happy
> > > thinking
> > > > i was
> > > > > going
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > get some quicker revs....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason
> grahn"
> > > > <jgrahn555@h...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > If you did have a manual, you'd be
> able to
> > > get a
> > > > lightened
> > > > > > > flywheel
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > Primitive Enterprises (
> > > > http://www.get-primitive.com) or
> > > > > > Fidanza; i
> > > > > > > > think Jun
> > > > > > > > > makes one as well.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -Jason
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > > > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks]
> lightened
> > > > flywheel???
> > > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47
-0500
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin
> you
> > > have an
> > > > automatic
> > > > > > tranny.
> > > > > > > > > >Auto's do not have flywheels. They
> use
> > the
> > > torque
> > > > > converter
> > > > > > as a
> > > > > > > > > >rotational damper which gives and
> takes
> > the
> > > > intermittent
> > > > > > energy
> > > > > > > > pulses
> > > > > > > > > >from the engine and smoothes it
> > > out...basically
> > > > does the
> > > > > same
> > > > > > > > thing as
> > > > > > > > > >flywheel in that sense.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Josh
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
>************************************
> > > > > > > > > >Josh Colombo
> > > > > > > > > >jcc189@p... < mailto:jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >"Life, an ever-changing melody
> > > > > > > > > > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > > > > > > > >
>************************************
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > >From: mike p. [
mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > > > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:18
> PM
> > > > > > > > > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > > > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks]
lightened
> > > flywheel???
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >ok, i know people use lightened
> pulleys
> > on
> > > subys
> > > > but
> > > > how
> > > > > > about a
> > > > > > > > > >lightened flywheel? anyone know
> anyone
> > > that
> > > makes
> > > > them
> > > > > for a
> > > > > > > suby?
> > > > > > > > > >to be more specific a 92 subaru
> legacy
> > > turbo(us
> > > > spec.
> > > > auto
> > > > > > > > > >slushbox). would it be worth it?
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Josh Colombo · Post by **Josh Colombo** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 3:13 pm

Yeah I have noticed the A/C thing. It's mainly when I just start out that I have problems with it not getting cold right away....but I think that's mainly because my A/C system sucks. The charging thing has not been a problem and I DO have a big stereo system. One thing that has probably helped me was that I have one of the optima deep cycle batteries (yellow top)

-----Original Message-----
From: acroxford@hypermall.net
Sent: Fri 10/26/2001 1:14 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???

I have a k&N mounted under the left fender I measured ths under hood
temps in traffic and the engine compartment was 177 F and under the
fender was 97 F I was told that 8 degrees into the turbo is 8 hp ??
You can see part of it in the files section under "oil separator" .
The filter is mounted low behind a front vent where the driving lights
used to be. I checked it at 5k miles and it did not seem to be any
dirtier than when mounted in the engine compartment. The smaller
underdrive pulley will save a few hp but can cause poor AC in hot
weather and some charging problems if you have a heavy load like a
big Stereo.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> yup, that's what i think i'm going to shoot for as far as an air
> filter goes, then maybe add some ducting to either bring air in from
> the front of the car(kinda sits to low for me though, i like mud:)
or
> i was thinking about an idea of cutting a hole in the side of the
> fender and mounting a reverse air ram kinda deal to suck cooler
> outside air into the fender well to get it to the box.
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor" <roderic@c...> wrote:
> > Mike-try a K&N filter in your stock air box (if you have`nt
> already.) I have that set-up with an aftermarket turbo & the car
runs
> flawlessly. Be careful with a cone filter unless you`re drawing COLD
> AIR from somewhere. If not, your engine will be using the underhood
> (hot!) air--not good. Needless to say, my MAF has 164k & never has
> had a problem. Hope this helps---ROD (AZ.)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: mike p.
> > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 7:10 PM
> > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> >
> >
> > hmmm... yeah i removed the snorkel but still have mixed feelings
> > about taking out the stock box and replacing with a cone or
> something
> > because my maf is already screwed and i'm afraid it'd just make
> > things worse(i already have some pretty good ideas for a custom
> > intake). i think i might consider a lighter pulley though
before
> i
> > go and spend a wad on a lighter torque converter. but first i
> really
> > should concentrate on a new maf i guess.
> >
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
wrote:
> > > Well, I really can't give you an exact scientific number as to
> how
> > much
> > > faster it revs. I did notice a difference though. I think
> that and
> > > putting my intake on were the two things that helped make for
> faster
> > > revs to redline and such. If you don't want an intake, you
can
> do
> > the
> > > snorkelesectamy or whatever that's called, and take the
snorkel
> out
> > of
> > > the fenderwell, and put a k&n drop in filter in.
> > >
> > > The weight is what helps the most. The lighter the crankshaft
> is,
> > ie
> > > less rotation mass, the faster it will respond to change. If
> you
> > want
> > > to get technical you can prove this with Newton's second law
> > F=ma. F =
> > > the force required to turn the shaft, think of this as the
> force
> > (power)
> > > produced by the pistons. a is the acceleration of the shaft.
> So
> > if we
> > > want to accelerate the crank (ie: rev the engine), and we have
> X
> > amount
> > > of force being produced from the pistons. Mass, m, is
inversely
> > > proportional to the acceleration. If you want faster revs,
ie.
> > > acceleration, then you have to reduce the mass.
> > >
> > > This is just the basic physics of why it does what it does,
and
> > gets a
> > > lot more harry after this, but this gives you the idea behind
> why it
> > > does what it does.
> > >
> > > This ends our physics lesson for today.....

> > >
> > > Josh
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mike p.
> > > Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 10:56 AM
> > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > Cc:
> > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > josh, a little off topic here but how much faster are
the
> revs
> > > with
> > > just the underdrive pulley? that'd probably fit better
> in my
> > > budget
> > > now than trying to get a lightened torque converter for
> my
> > soob.
> > > and
> > > one other thing, is it the weight(of the underdrive
> pulley) or
> > > the
> > > smaller size(it is smaller right?) that gives the
quicker
> > revs?
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo"
<jcc189@p...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > I'm assuming they are grinding away on the flywheel to
> make
> > it
> > > lighter
> > > > correct. How are they doing this? Are they taking
away
> > > material
> > > from
> > > > the middle, the contact surface area, back side ?
I've
> > heard
> > > that
> > > > resurfacing the subaru flywheels is not a good idea as
> it
> > will
> > > cause the
> > > > clutch to grab poorly and cause premature wear and
tear.
> > > >
> > > > Josh
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: georgerbyrne@y...
> > > > Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 8:50 AM
> > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > Cc:
> > > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened
> flywheel???
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am getting my flywheel lightened ATM, while
> converting
> > > my FWD
> > > to
> > > > AWD.
> > > > I am putting in a 4:44 ratio box with ej20-t
> clutch
> > and
> > > > flywheel, and
> > > > a Viscous LSD rear. Should be good for when i
> drop n
> > the
> > > new
> > > RS
> > > > RA
> > > > ej20-t in january. hehehe
> > > >
> > > > I was talking to my mechanic today who does alot
> of
> > > sooby
> > > > performance
> > > > mods, and he said if you machine the standard
> subaru
> > > flywheels,
> > > > to
> > > > take off 1.5mm, that will give you the best,
safe
> > > result,
> > > > without
> > > > risking damaging parts, and definately help
bring
> up
> > the
> > > rev's
> > > > faster. Anything less than that and it won't
make
> a
> > big
> > > enough
> > > > difference, and any more and you can hurt stuff.
> > (didn't
> > > specify
> > > > what
> > > > though.)
> > > > My Legacy/liberty currently has an NA - EJ22
with
> a
> > > coupla
> > > mods,
> > > > good
> > > > for about 165-170hp, so hoping it will do OK
with
> the
> > > flywheel
> > > > and
> > > > driveline mods, as well as a couple of dodgy
> backyard
> > > computer
> > > > alterations, to add about another 15hp.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p."
> <ob1poor@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > thanks, that's cool they actually have them
for
> > subys.
> > > now
> > > if
> > > > i
> > > > > could only find their email addy

> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor"
> > > <roderic@c...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Mike-try this web site for more info-
> > www.jmousa.com.
> > > or
> > > try
> > > > jmo
> > > > > world site. Either one should be able to help.
> BTW,
> > > auto
> > > > trannys
> > > > have
> > > > > a FLEX PLATE rather than a flywheel. The
torque
> > > convertor
> > > > bolts to
> > > > > that instead of a conventional flywheel,
though
> they
> > > both
> > > > perform
> > > > the
> > > > > same function. There IS something you can do
to
> > > improve
> > > > > performance/reliability in regards to the flex
> > plate,
> > > but
> > > > without
> > > > an
> > > > > upgraded convertor, it`s not a very good use
of
> your
> > > money.
> > > > The
> > > > only
> > > > > way I`d replace my flex plate without
replacing
> the
> > > convertor
> > > > is if
> > > > > it were out of balance, teeth on the starter
> ring
> > were
> > > chipped
> > > > or
> > > > > missing or it was damaged. Hope this
helps---ROD
> > > (AZ.)-----
> > > > Original
> > > > > Message -----
> > > > > > From: mike p.
> > > > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 87 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened
> > > flywheel???
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > so essentially i'd be looking for a
> lightened
> > > torque
> > > > converter
> > > > > for my
> > > > > > scooby eh? well, ok. i think i can live
> with
> > > that,
> > > just
> > > > have
> > > > > to do
> > > > > > some more searchin'. i'm not really
> worried
> > about
> > > gaining
> > > > any
> > > > hp
> > > > > off
> > > > > > the deal just quicker revs, but the hp
> wouldn't
> > > hurt
> > > > either:)
> > > > > > meanwhile if anyone digs anything up and
> thinks
> > > about it
> > > > i'd
> > > > like
> > > > > to
> > > > > > know. thanks guys.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...,
acroxford@h...
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > The auto's use the torque converters
> housing
> > for
> > > a
> > > > flywheel
> > > > > there
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > been light weight torque converters made
> but I
> > > don't
> > > > know if
> > > > > one
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > made for a Suby. I have a chromoly 12lb
> > flywheel
> > > and
> > > the
> > > > engine
> > > > > > does
> > > > > > > rev quite a bit faster and I would
> imagine
> > that
> > > the hp
> > > > used
> > > > to
> > > > > turn
> > > > > > > the 26lb stock flywheel is mine now.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p."
> > > <ob1poor@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > yeah ya know what? i honestly(no
> seriously)
> > > didn't
> > > > think
> > > > > auto's
> > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > a flywheel then i got to thinking
> (that's
> > what
> > > threw
> > > > me) and
> > > > i
> > > > > > > > remember this guy i used to hang out
> with
> > said
> > > he
> > > had
> > > > to
> > > > have
> > > > > a
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > flywheel put in his bronco(also an
auto)
> > > because he
> > > > broke
> > > > > some
> > > > > > teeth
> > > > > > > > on it or something so i checked my
> haynes
> > > manual(yup
> > > > misled
> > > > > > again)
> > > > > > > > and from what i understood from it the
> autos
> > > along
> > > > with the
> > > > > > manuals
> > > > > > > > had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i was all
> happy
> > > thinking
> > > > i was
> > > > > going
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > get some quicker revs....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason
> grahn"
> > > > <jgrahn555@h...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > If you did have a manual, you'd be
> able to
> > > get a
> > > > lightened
> > > > > > > flywheel
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > Primitive Enterprises (
> > > > http://www.get-primitive.com) or
> > > > > > Fidanza; i
> > > > > > > > think Jun
> > > > > > > > > makes one as well.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -Jason
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > > > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks]
> lightened
> > > > flywheel???
> > > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:47
-0500
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >By sayin auto slush box I'm assumin
> you
> > > have an
> > > > automatic
> > > > > > tranny.
> > > > > > > > > >Auto's do not have flywheels. They
> use
> > the
> > > torque
> > > > > converter
> > > > > > as a
> > > > > > > > > >rotational damper which gives and
> takes
> > the
> > > > intermittent
> > > > > > energy
> > > > > > > > pulses
> > > > > > > > > >from the engine and smoothes it
> > > out...basically
> > > > does the
> > > > > same
> > > > > > > > thing as
> > > > > > > > > >flywheel in that sense.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Josh
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
>************************************
> > > > > > > > > >Josh Colombo
> > > > > > > > > >jcc189@p... < mailto:jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >"Life, an ever-changing melody
> > > > > > > > > > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > > > > > > > >
>************************************
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > >From: mike p. [
mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > > > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:18
> PM
> > > > > > > > > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > > > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks]
lightened
> > > flywheel???
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >ok, i know people use lightened
> pulleys
> > on
> > > subys
> > > > but
> > > > how
> > > > > > about a
> > > > > > > > > >lightened flywheel? anyone know
> anyone
> > > that
> > > makes
> > > > them
> > > > > for a
> > > > > > > suby?
> > > > > > > > > >to be more specific a 92 subaru
> legacy
> > > turbo(us
> > > > spec.
> > > > auto
> > > > > > > > > >slushbox). would it be worth it?
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acroxford@hypermall.net · Fri Oct 26, 2001 5:34 pm

Good batteries I have a new red top in the car and one in the truck
that was purchased from Gates as a second (blemished) and it is doing
ok after 11 years.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...> wrote:
> Yeah I have noticed the A/C thing. It's mainly when I just start
out
> that I have problems with it not getting cold right away....but I
think
> that's mainly because my A/C system sucks. The charging thing has
not
> been a problem and I DO have a big stereo system. One thing that
has
> probably helped me was that I have one of the optima deep cycle
> batteries (yellow top)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: acroxford@h...
> Sent: Fri 10/26/2001 1:14 PM
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Cc:
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
>
>
>
> I have a k&N mounted under the left fender I measured ths
under
> hood
> temps in traffic and the engine compartment was 177 F and
under
> the
> fender was 97 F I was told that 8 degrees into the turbo is 8
hp
> ??
> You can see part of it in the files section under "oil
> separator" .
> The filter is mounted low behind a front vent where the
driving
> lights
> used to be. I checked it at 5k miles and it did not seem to be
> any
> dirtier than when mounted in the engine compartment. The
smaller
> underdrive pulley will save a few hp but can cause poor AC in
> hot
> weather and some charging problems if you have a heavy load
like
> a
> big Stereo.
>
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> > yup, that's what i think i'm going to shoot for as far as an
> air
> > filter goes, then maybe add some ducting to either bring air
> in from
> > the front of the car(kinda sits to low for me though, i like
> mud:)
> or
> > i was thinking about an idea of cutting a hole in the side
of
> the
> > fender and mounting a reverse air ram kinda deal to suck
> cooler
> > outside air into the fender well to get it to the box.
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor" <roderic@c...>
> wrote:
> > > Mike-try a K&N filter in your stock air box (if you
have`nt
> > already.) I have that set-up with an aftermarket turbo & the
> car
> runs
> > flawlessly. Be careful with a cone filter unless you`re
> drawing COLD
> > AIR from somewhere. If not, your engine will be using the
> underhood
> > (hot!) air--not good. Needless to say, my MAF has 164k &
never
> has
> > had a problem. Hope this helps---ROD (AZ.)
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: mike p.
> > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 7:10 PM
> > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> > >
> > >
> > > hmmm... yeah i removed the snorkel but still have mixed
> feelings
> > > about taking out the stock box and replacing with a cone
> or
> > something
> > > because my maf is already screwed and i'm afraid it'd
just
> make
> > > things worse(i already have some pretty good ideas for a
> custom
> > > intake). i think i might consider a lighter pulley
though
> before
> > i
> > > go and spend a wad on a lighter torque converter. but
> first i
> > really
> > > should concentrate on a new maf i guess.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo"
<jcc189@p...>
> wrote:
> > > > Well, I really can't give you an exact scientific
number
> as to
> > how
> > > much
> > > > faster it revs. I did notice a difference though. I
> think
> > that and
> > > > putting my intake on were the two things that helped
> make for
> > faster
> > > > revs to redline and such. If you don't want an
intake,
> you
> can
> > do
> > > the
> > > > snorkelesectamy or whatever that's called, and take
the
> snorkel
> > out
> > > of
> > > > the fenderwell, and put a k&n drop in filter in.
> > > >
> > > > The weight is what helps the most. The lighter the
> crankshaft
> > is,
> > > ie
> > > > less rotation mass, the faster it will respond to
> change. If
> > you
> > > want
> > > > to get technical you can prove this with Newton's
second
> law
> > > F=ma. F =
> > > > the force required to turn the shaft, think of this as
> the
> > force
> > > (power)
> > > > produced by the pistons. a is the acceleration of the
> shaft.
> > So
> > > if we
> > > > want to accelerate the crank (ie: rev the engine), and
> we have
> > X
> > > amount
> > > > of force being produced from the pistons. Mass, m, is
> inversely
> > > > proportional to the acceleration. If you want faster
> revs,
> ie.
> > > > acceleration, then you have to reduce the mass.
> > > >
> > > > This is just the basic physics of why it does what it
> does,
> and
> > > gets a
> > > > lot more harry after this, but this gives you the idea
> behind
> > why it
> > > > does what it does.
> > > >
> > > > This ends our physics lesson for today.....

> > > >
> > > > Josh
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: mike p.
> > > > Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 10:56 AM
> > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > Cc:
> > > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > josh, a little off topic here but how much
faster
> are
> the
> > revs
> > > > with
> > > > just the underdrive pulley? that'd probably fit
> better
> > in my
> > > > budget
> > > > now than trying to get a lightened torque
> converter for
> > my
> > > soob.
> > > > and
> > > > one other thing, is it the weight(of the
> underdrive
> > pulley) or
> > > > the
> > > > smaller size(it is smaller right?) that gives
the
> quicker
> > > revs?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo"
> <jcc189@p...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > I'm assuming they are grinding away on the
> flywheel to
> > make
> > > it
> > > > lighter
> > > > > correct. How are they doing this? Are they
> taking
> away
> > > > material
> > > > from
> > > > > the middle, the contact surface area, back
side
> ?
> I've
> > > heard
> > > > that
> > > > > resurfacing the subaru flywheels is not a good
> idea as
> > it
> > > will
> > > > cause the
> > > > > clutch to grab poorly and cause premature wear
> and
> tear.
> > > > >
> > > > > Josh
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: georgerbyrne@y...
> > > > > Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 8:50 AM
> > > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > Cc:
> > > > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re:
lightened
> > flywheel???
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Am getting my flywheel lightened ATM,
> while
> > converting
> > > > my FWD
> > > > to
> > > > > AWD.
> > > > > I am putting in a 4:44 ratio box with
> ej20-t
> > clutch
> > > and
> > > > > flywheel, and
> > > > > a Viscous LSD rear. Should be good for
> when i
> > drop n
> > > the
> > > > new
> > > > RS
> > > > > RA
> > > > > ej20-t in january. hehehe
> > > > >
> > > > > I was talking to my mechanic today who
> does alot
> > of
> > > > sooby
> > > > > performance
> > > > > mods, and he said if you machine the
> standard
> > subaru
> > > > flywheels,
> > > > > to
> > > > > take off 1.5mm, that will give you the
> best,
> safe
> > > > result,
> > > > > without
> > > > > risking damaging parts, and definately
> help
> bring
> > up
> > > the
> > > > rev's
> > > > > faster. Anything less than that and it
> won't
> make
> > a
> > > big
> > > > enough
> > > > > difference, and any more and you can
hurt
> stuff.
> > > (didn't
> > > > specify
> > > > > what
> > > > > though.)
> > > > > My Legacy/liberty currently has an NA -
> EJ22
> with
> > a
> > > > coupla
> > > > mods,
> > > > > good
> > > > > for about 165-170hp, so hoping it will
do
> OK
> with
> > the
> > > > flywheel
> > > > > and
> > > > > driveline mods, as well as a couple of
> dodgy
> > backyard
> > > > computer
> > > > > alterations, to add about another 15hp.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p."
> > <ob1poor@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > thanks, that's cool they actually have
> them
> for
> > > subys.
> > > > now
> > > > if
> > > > > i
> > > > > > could only find their email addy

> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod
> Grosvenor"
> > > > <roderic@c...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Mike-try this web site for more
info-
> > > www.jmousa.com.
> > > > or
> > > > try
> > > > > jmo
> > > > > > world site. Either one should be able
to
> help.
> > BTW,
> > > > auto
> > > > > trannys
> > > > > have
> > > > > > a FLEX PLATE rather than a flywheel.
The
> torque
> > > > convertor
> > > > > bolts to
> > > > > > that instead of a conventional
flywheel,
> though
> > they
> > > > both
> > > > > perform
> > > > > the
> > > > > > same function. There IS something you
> can do
> to
> > > > improve
> > > > > > performance/reliability in regards to
> the flex
> > > plate,
> > > > but
> > > > > without
> > > > > an
> > > > > > upgraded convertor, it`s not a very
good
> use
> of
> > your
> > > > money.
> > > > > The
> > > > > only
> > > > > > way I`d replace my flex plate without
> replacing
> > the
> > > > convertor
> > > > > is if
> > > > > > it were out of balance, teeth on the
> starter
> > ring
> > > were
> > > > chipped
> > > > > or
> > > > > > missing or it was damaged. Hope this
> helps---ROD
> > > > (AZ.)-----
> > > > > Original
> > > > > > Message -----
> > > > > > > From: mike p.
> > > > > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001
87
> PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re:
> lightened
> > > > flywheel???
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > so essentially i'd be looking for
a
> > lightened
> > > > torque
> > > > > converter
> > > > > > for my
> > > > > > > scooby eh? well, ok. i think i
> can live
> > with
> > > > that,
> > > > just
> > > > > have
> > > > > > to do
> > > > > > > some more searchin'. i'm not
really
> > worried
> > > about
> > > > gaining
> > > > > any
> > > > > hp
> > > > > > off
> > > > > > > the deal just quicker revs, but
the
> hp
> > wouldn't
> > > > hurt
> > > > > either:)
> > > > > > > meanwhile if anyone digs anything
up
> and
> > thinks
> > > > about it
> > > > > i'd
> > > > > like
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > know. thanks guys.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...,
> acroxford@h...
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > The auto's use the torque
> converters
> > housing
> > > for
> > > > a
> > > > > flywheel
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > been light weight torque
> converters made
> > but I
> > > > don't
> > > > > know if
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > made for a Suby. I have a
chromoly
> 12lb
> > > flywheel
> > > > and
> > > > the
> > > > > engine
> > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > rev quite a bit faster and I
would
> > imagine
> > > that
> > > > the hp
> > > > > used
> > > > > to
> > > > > > turn
> > > > > > > > the 26lb stock flywheel is mine
> now.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...,
> "mike p."
> > > > <ob1poor@y...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > yeah ya know what? i
> honestly(no
> > seriously)
> > > > didn't
> > > > > think
> > > > > > auto's
> > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > a flywheel then i got to
> thinking
> > (that's
> > > what
> > > > threw
> > > > > me) and
> > > > > i
> > > > > > > > > remember this guy i used to
hang
> out
> > with
> > > said
> > > > he
> > > > had
> > > > > to
> > > > > have
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > flywheel put in his
bronco(also
> an
> auto)
> > > > because he
> > > > > broke
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > teeth
> > > > > > > > > on it or something so i
checked
> my
> > haynes
> > > > manual(yup
> > > > > misled
> > > > > > > again)
> > > > > > > > > and from what i understood
from
> it the
> > autos
> > > > along
> > > > > with the
> > > > > > > manuals
> > > > > > > > > had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i
> was all
> > happy
> > > > thinking
> > > > > i was
> > > > > > going
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > get some quicker revs....
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...,
> "jason
> > grahn"
> > > > > <jgrahn555@h...>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > If you did have a manual,
> you'd be
> > able to
> > > > get a
> > > > > lightened
> > > > > > > > flywheel
> > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > Primitive Enterprises (
> > > > > http://www.get-primitive.com) or
> > > > > > > Fidanza; i
> > > > > > > > > think Jun
> > > > > > > > > > makes one as well.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -Jason
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >From: "Josh Colombo"
> <jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To:
> BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > > > > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE:
> [BC-BFLegacyWorks]
> > lightened
> > > > > flywheel???
> > > > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001
> 20:24:47
> -0500
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >By sayin auto slush box I'm
> assumin
> > you
> > > > have an
> > > > > automatic
> > > > > > > tranny.
> > > > > > > > > > >Auto's do not have
flywheels.
> They
> > use
> > > the
> > > > torque
> > > > > > converter
> > > > > > > as a
> > > > > > > > > > >rotational damper which
gives
> and
> > takes
> > > the
> > > > > intermittent
> > > > > > > energy
> > > > > > > > > pulses
> > > > > > > > > > >from the engine and
smoothes
> it
> > > > out...basically
> > > > > does the
> > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > thing as
> > > > > > > > > > >flywheel in that sense.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Josh
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> >************************************
> > > > > > > > > > >Josh Colombo
> > > > > > > > > > >jcc189@p... <
> mailto:jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >"Life, an ever-changing
> melody
> > > > > > > > > > > of beats and rhythm" - ME
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> > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > >From: mike p. [
> mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, October 22,
> 2001 8:18
> > PM
> > > > > > > > > > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks]
> lightened
> > > > flywheel???
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >ok, i know people use
> lightened
> > pulleys
> > > on
> > > > subys
> > > > > but
> > > > > how
> > > > > > > about a
> > > > > > > > > > >lightened flywheel? anyone
> know
> > anyone
> > > > that
> > > > makes
> > > > > them
> > > > > > for a
> > > > > > > > suby?
> > > > > > > > > > >to be more specific a 92
> subaru
> > legacy
> > > > turbo(us
> > > > > spec.
> > > > > auto
> > > > > > > > > > >slushbox). would it be
worth
> it?
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Josh Colombo · Post by **Josh Colombo** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 5:58 pm

Guess you got me beat

************************************
Josh Colombo
jcc189@psu.edu < mailto:jcc189@psu.edu>

"Life, an ever-changing melody
of beats and rhythm" - ME
************************************

-----Original Message-----
From: acroxford@hypermall.net [ mailto:acroxford@hypermall.net]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:33 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???

Good batteries I have a new red top in the car and one in the truck
that was purchased from Gates as a second (blemished) and it is doing
ok after 11 years.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...> wrote:
> Yeah I have noticed the A/C thing. It's mainly when I just start
out
> that I have problems with it not getting cold right away....but I
think
> that's mainly because my A/C system sucks. The charging thing has
not
> been a problem and I DO have a big stereo system. One thing that
has
> probably helped me was that I have one of the optima deep cycle
> batteries (yellow top)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: acroxford@h...
> Sent: Fri 10/26/2001 1:14 PM
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Cc:
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
>
>
>
> I have a k&N mounted under the left fender I measured ths
under
> hood
> temps in traffic and the engine compartment was 177 F and
under
> the
> fender was 97 F I was told that 8 degrees into the turbo is 8
hp
> ??
> You can see part of it in the files section under "oil
> separator" .
> The filter is mounted low behind a front vent where the
driving
> lights
> used to be. I checked it at 5k miles and it did not seem to be
> any
> dirtier than when mounted in the engine compartment. The
smaller
> underdrive pulley will save a few hp but can cause poor AC in
> hot
> weather and some charging problems if you have a heavy load
like
> a
> big Stereo.
>
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> > yup, that's what i think i'm going to shoot for as far as an
> air
> > filter goes, then maybe add some ducting to either bring air
> in from
> > the front of the car(kinda sits to low for me though, i like
> mud:)
> or
> > i was thinking about an idea of cutting a hole in the side
of
> the
> > fender and mounting a reverse air ram kinda deal to suck
> cooler
> > outside air into the fender well to get it to the box.
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor" <roderic@c...>
> wrote:
> > > Mike-try a K&N filter in your stock air box (if you
have`nt
> > already.) I have that set-up with an aftermarket turbo & the
> car
> runs
> > flawlessly. Be careful with a cone filter unless you`re
> drawing COLD
> > AIR from somewhere. If not, your engine will be using the
> underhood
> > (hot!) air--not good. Needless to say, my MAF has 164k &
never
> has
> > had a problem. Hope this helps---ROD (AZ.)
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: mike p.
> > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 7:10 PM
> > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> > >
> > >
> > > hmmm... yeah i removed the snorkel but still have mixed
> feelings
> > > about taking out the stock box and replacing with a cone
> or
> > something
> > > because my maf is already screwed and i'm afraid it'd
just
> make
> > > things worse(i already have some pretty good ideas for a
> custom
> > > intake). i think i might consider a lighter pulley
though
> before
> > i
> > > go and spend a wad on a lighter torque converter. but
> first i
> > really
> > > should concentrate on a new maf i guess.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo"
<jcc189@p...>
> wrote:
> > > > Well, I really can't give you an exact scientific
number
> as to
> > how
> > > much
> > > > faster it revs. I did notice a difference though. I
> think
> > that and
> > > > putting my intake on were the two things that helped
> make for
> > faster
> > > > revs to redline and such. If you don't want an
intake,
> you
> can
> > do
> > > the
> > > > snorkelesectamy or whatever that's called, and take
the
> snorkel
> > out
> > > of
> > > > the fenderwell, and put a k&n drop in filter in.
> > > >
> > > > The weight is what helps the most. The lighter the
> crankshaft
> > is,
> > > ie
> > > > less rotation mass, the faster it will respond to
> change. If
> > you
> > > want
> > > > to get technical you can prove this with Newton's
second
> law
> > > F=ma. F =
> > > > the force required to turn the shaft, think of this as
> the
> > force
> > > (power)
> > > > produced by the pistons. a is the acceleration of the
> shaft.
> > So
> > > if we
> > > > want to accelerate the crank (ie: rev the engine), and
> we have
> > X
> > > amount
> > > > of force being produced from the pistons. Mass, m, is
> inversely
> > > > proportional to the acceleration. If you want faster
> revs,
> ie.
> > > > acceleration, then you have to reduce the mass.
> > > >
> > > > This is just the basic physics of why it does what it
> does,
> and
> > > gets a
> > > > lot more harry after this, but this gives you the idea
> behind
> > why it
> > > > does what it does.
> > > >
> > > > This ends our physics lesson for today.....

> > > >
> > > > Josh
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: mike p.
> > > > Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 10:56 AM
> > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > Cc:
> > > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: lightened flywheel???
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > josh, a little off topic here but how much
faster
> are
> the
> > revs
> > > > with
> > > > just the underdrive pulley? that'd probably fit
> better
> > in my
> > > > budget
> > > > now than trying to get a lightened torque
> converter for
> > my
> > > soob.
> > > > and
> > > > one other thing, is it the weight(of the
> underdrive
> > pulley) or
> > > > the
> > > > smaller size(it is smaller right?) that gives
the
> quicker
> > > revs?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo"
> <jcc189@p...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > I'm assuming they are grinding away on the
> flywheel to
> > make
> > > it
> > > > lighter
> > > > > correct. How are they doing this? Are they
> taking
> away
> > > > material
> > > > from
> > > > > the middle, the contact surface area, back
side
> ?
> I've
> > > heard
> > > > that
> > > > > resurfacing the subaru flywheels is not a good
> idea as
> > it
> > > will
> > > > cause the
> > > > > clutch to grab poorly and cause premature wear
> and
> tear.
> > > > >
> > > > > Josh
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: georgerbyrne@y...
> > > > > Sent: Thu 10/25/2001 8:50 AM
> > > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > Cc:
> > > > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re:
lightened
> > flywheel???
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Am getting my flywheel lightened ATM,
> while
> > converting
> > > > my FWD
> > > > to
> > > > > AWD.
> > > > > I am putting in a 4:44 ratio box with
> ej20-t
> > clutch
> > > and
> > > > > flywheel, and
> > > > > a Viscous LSD rear. Should be good for
> when i
> > drop n
> > > the
> > > > new
> > > > RS
> > > > > RA
> > > > > ej20-t in january. hehehe
> > > > >
> > > > > I was talking to my mechanic today who
> does alot
> > of
> > > > sooby
> > > > > performance
> > > > > mods, and he said if you machine the
> standard
> > subaru
> > > > flywheels,
> > > > > to
> > > > > take off 1.5mm, that will give you the
> best,
> safe
> > > > result,
> > > > > without
> > > > > risking damaging parts, and definately
> help
> bring
> > up
> > > the
> > > > rev's
> > > > > faster. Anything less than that and it
> won't
> make
> > a
> > > big
> > > > enough
> > > > > difference, and any more and you can
hurt
> stuff.
> > > (didn't
> > > > specify
> > > > > what
> > > > > though.)
> > > > > My Legacy/liberty currently has an NA -
> EJ22
> with
> > a
> > > > coupla
> > > > mods,
> > > > > good
> > > > > for about 165-170hp, so hoping it will
do
> OK
> with
> > the
> > > > flywheel
> > > > > and
> > > > > driveline mods, as well as a couple of
> dodgy
> > backyard
> > > > computer
> > > > > alterations, to add about another 15hp.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p."
> > <ob1poor@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > thanks, that's cool they actually have
> them
> for
> > > subys.
> > > > now
> > > > if
> > > > > i
> > > > > > could only find their email addy

> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod
> Grosvenor"
> > > > <roderic@c...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Mike-try this web site for more
info-
> > > www.jmousa.com.
> > > > or
> > > > try
> > > > > jmo
> > > > > > world site. Either one should be able
to
> help.
> > BTW,
> > > > auto
> > > > > trannys
> > > > > have
> > > > > > a FLEX PLATE rather than a flywheel.
The
> torque
> > > > convertor
> > > > > bolts to
> > > > > > that instead of a conventional
flywheel,
> though
> > they
> > > > both
> > > > > perform
> > > > > the
> > > > > > same function. There IS something you
> can do
> to
> > > > improve
> > > > > > performance/reliability in regards to
> the flex
> > > plate,
> > > > but
> > > > > without
> > > > > an
> > > > > > upgraded convertor, it`s not a very
good
> use
> of
> > your
> > > > money.
> > > > > The
> > > > > only
> > > > > > way I`d replace my flex plate without
> replacing
> > the
> > > > convertor
> > > > > is if
> > > > > > it were out of balance, teeth on the
> starter
> > ring
> > > were
> > > > chipped
> > > > > or
> > > > > > missing or it was damaged. Hope this
> helps---ROD
> > > > (AZ.)-----
> > > > > Original
> > > > > > Message -----
> > > > > > > From: mike p.
> > > > > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001
87
> PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re:
> lightened
> > > > flywheel???
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > so essentially i'd be looking for
a
> > lightened
> > > > torque
> > > > > converter
> > > > > > for my
> > > > > > > scooby eh? well, ok. i think i
> can live
> > with
> > > > that,
> > > > just
> > > > > have
> > > > > > to do
> > > > > > > some more searchin'. i'm not
really
> > worried
> > > about
> > > > gaining
> > > > > any
> > > > > hp
> > > > > > off
> > > > > > > the deal just quicker revs, but
the
> hp
> > wouldn't
> > > > hurt
> > > > > either:)
> > > > > > > meanwhile if anyone digs anything
up
> and
> > thinks
> > > > about it
> > > > > i'd
> > > > > like
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > know. thanks guys.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...,
> acroxford@h...
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > The auto's use the torque
> converters
> > housing
> > > for
> > > > a
> > > > > flywheel
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > been light weight torque
> converters made
> > but I
> > > > don't
> > > > > know if
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > made for a Suby. I have a
chromoly
> 12lb
> > > flywheel
> > > > and
> > > > the
> > > > > engine
> > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > rev quite a bit faster and I
would
> > imagine
> > > that
> > > > the hp
> > > > > used
> > > > > to
> > > > > > turn
> > > > > > > > the 26lb stock flywheel is mine
> now.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...,
> "mike p."
> > > > <ob1poor@y...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > yeah ya know what? i
> honestly(no
> > seriously)
> > > > didn't
> > > > > think
> > > > > > auto's
> > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > a flywheel then i got to
> thinking
> > (that's
> > > what
> > > > threw
> > > > > me) and
> > > > > i
> > > > > > > > > remember this guy i used to
hang
> out
> > with
> > > said
> > > > he
> > > > had
> > > > > to
> > > > > have
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > flywheel put in his
bronco(also
> an
> auto)
> > > > because he
> > > > > broke
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > teeth
> > > > > > > > > on it or something so i
checked
> my
> > haynes
> > > > manual(yup
> > > > > misled
> > > > > > > again)
> > > > > > > > > and from what i understood
from
> it the
> > autos
> > > > along
> > > > > with the
> > > > > > > manuals
> > > > > > > > > had a flywheel.... da%#!!! i
> was all
> > happy
> > > > thinking
> > > > > i was
> > > > > > going
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > get some quicker revs....
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...,
> "jason
> > grahn"
> > > > > <jgrahn555@h...>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > If you did have a manual,
> you'd be
> > able to
> > > > get a
> > > > > lightened
> > > > > > > > flywheel
> > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > Primitive Enterprises (
> > > > > http://www.get-primitive.com) or
> > > > > > > Fidanza; i
> > > > > > > > > think Jun
> > > > > > > > > > makes one as well.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -Jason
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >From: "Josh Colombo"
> <jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To:
> BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > > > > >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE:
> [BC-BFLegacyWorks]
> > lightened
> > > > > flywheel???
> > > > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001
> 20:24:47
> -0500
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >By sayin auto slush box I'm
> assumin
> > you
> > > > have an
> > > > > automatic
> > > > > > > tranny.
> > > > > > > > > > >Auto's do not have
flywheels.
> They
> > use
> > > the
> > > > torque
> > > > > > converter
> > > > > > > as a
> > > > > > > > > > >rotational damper which
gives
> and
> > takes
> > > the
> > > > > intermittent
> > > > > > > energy
> > > > > > > > > pulses
> > > > > > > > > > >from the engine and
smoothes
> it
> > > > out...basically
> > > > > does the
> > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > thing as
> > > > > > > > > > >flywheel in that sense.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Josh
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> >************************************
> > > > > > > > > > >Josh Colombo
> > > > > > > > > > >jcc189@p... <
> mailto:jcc189@p...>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >"Life, an ever-changing
> melody
> > > > > > > > > > > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > > > > > > > > >
> >************************************
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > >From: mike p. [
> mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, October 22,
> 2001 8:18
> > PM
> > > > > > > > > > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks]
> lightened
> > > > flywheel???
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >ok, i know people use
> lightened
> > pulleys
> > > on
> > > > subys
> > > > > but
> > > > > how
> > > > > > > about a
> > > > > > > > > > >lightened flywheel? anyone
> know
> > anyone
> > > > that
> > > > makes
> > > > > them
> > > > > > for a
> > > > > > > > suby?
> > > > > > > > > > >to be more specific a 92
> subaru
> > legacy
> > > > turbo(us
> > > > > spec.
> > > > > auto
> > > > > > > > > > >slushbox). would it be
worth
> it?
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