Question for the Diehard subaru loyalists

evolutionmovement · Post by **evolutionmovement** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:07 am

I can't remember if that's a tuner or an exhaust company badge, but I'm leaning towards the latter. Porsche has a similar horse in their badge, too. Ferrari is played out. They sell everything with their badge on it short of underwear (at least last I knew). They're also as common as dirt. If I were a rich moron who buys such pointless things to impress young boys and sluts to build up my low self-esteem I wouldn't touch them. There are plenty of independents. SOME of them are decent. Some of them are better. Like Pagani.

Manarius · Post by **Manarius** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:14 am

I really like the look of the new Saab's. I know - junk, but the new ones look so cool.

Murphy · Post by **Murphy** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:03 am

ive never cared for Porsche or BMW, id much rather have a Porsche over a beamer though, actually the only high end performance cars i like are from Mercedes
im very interested in getting a diesel in the future, im wanting to hear more about BMWs diesel they will start putting out in 08', depending on how it compares to Mercedes diesels, i might end up with a beamer after all, but i still dont like BMWs looks

assuming i can ever get to making that much cash to ever consider either, my subie will no longer be a daily, it will be a track car
...otherwise, the subie is a daily for as long as i can afford to make it run and i dont crash it, or one day i might just get another subie, maybe an Outback or a WRX wagon or something

555BCTurbo · Post by **555BCTurbo** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:42 am

Mercedes is the way to go if you want diesel...they have been making diesel cars since the 30's...and they definately know what they are doing.

I used to have a manual 240D before the Subaru...and though it was slow, it was an amazingly well built car, fun to drive, and got 30mpg.

And if you say you don't care for Porsches...you need to go for a ride in a really fast 911 and you will most certainly change your mind.

greg donovan · Post by **greg donovan** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:04 pm

wow, my tastes are pretty tame.

that being said, by the time i would be done with that escort i probably would have sunk enough money into it to have bought a new STi.

my goal would be to build the escort into a 250-300hp monster with flared fenders.

essentially a rally car for the street.

beatersubi · Post by **beatersubi** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:31 am

MPtyza wrote:I'll never willingly own another American car

American cars are coming around. I'd take a CTS-V or a Solstice GXP. I've heard stories of 500hp on the stock Ecotec(sp?) bottom end, turbo'd of course. And a four door Caddy w/ a 400hp V8 mated to a 6speed that gives M cars a run for their money... fuhgedaboudit

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I also really like the E39 M5's.

But the car I'm really saving up for: Porche 987 (Boxter S).

evolutionmovement · Post by **evolutionmovement** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:45 am

Ecotec's a well-engineered engine, but have you heard one? It's got to be about the worst sounding motor around. The sound of it accelerating had a hot chick who knew nothing about cars laughing at it. It's too bad, because I hear they're making a low priced small rwd sedan/coupe/hatch thing that will likely use the Ecotec and I'd definitely be interested if they could build the car decently (maybe have Opel develop it) and fix that godawful gravel grinder sound. GM LS engines are still among the best engines out there. All it takes is a look at the 'Vette's mpgs, list price, and a dyno chart of an LS6. OHC aren't new tech and the criticism is just stupid apologists making excuses for their underperforming overpriced junk. The new CTS looks decent. They fixed the awkwardness of the old one (and apparently the interior as well). Getting great reviews. I like the direct-injection V6, or at least that they have one.

MPtyza · Post by **MPtyza** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:20 am

beatersubi wrote: American cars are coming around...

It's nice that you think that, but it doesn't change how I feel about them. I'll take reliability over high HP numbers myself.

evolutionmovement · Post by **evolutionmovement** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:30 am

Reliability? 90% of the cars mentioned thus far in this post would fail and most of them aren't American.

greg donovan · Post by **greg donovan** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:36 am

evolutionmovement wrote:Reliability? 90% of the cars mentioned thus far in this post would fail and most of them aren't American.

my escort would be reliable.

but that is because i would probably have dumped 30 grand into a 30 year old car.

yay for frivolous spending!

asc_up · Post by **asc_up** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:40 am

if i could choose a car it would be a completely blacked out bmw m6 coupe.

if only i had $120,000.00

hahaha.

555BCTurbo · Post by **555BCTurbo** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:40 am

evolutionmovement wrote:Reliability? 90% of the cars mentioned thus far in this post would fail and most of them aren't American.

Most new American stuff is total garbage...

I used to have a neighbor who bought a C6 Vette when they came out...and it was in the shop so often for electrical shit and whatnot that he traded it on a G35, and never looked back.

We sure ain't had any problems with our Porsche...and the Mercedes never left me anywhere...

Speaking of Escorts...my uncle in New Zealand has a MK1 Escort rally car that is getting a twin turbo Lexus 4.7 V8...

He said it should work out to 750 bhp

thaxman · Post by **thaxman** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:47 am

One from each continent:

Audi RS6 (can't afford, will take an S6 Avant in its place)
'71 Plymouth 'Cuda (can't afford, will take a new Challenger in its place)
1st Gen G35 coupe w/the batman wing
500 hp Holden Monaro, except for the RHD prob. Guess it will have to be an Opel Monaro instead, but it still counts as Aussie. No GTO, though.

internetautomart · Post by **internetautomart** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:24 pm

evolutionmovement wrote:I can't remember if that's a tuner or an exhaust company badge, but I'm leaning towards the latter. Porsche has a similar horse in their badge, too. Ferrari is played out. They sell everything with their badge on it short of underwear (at least last I knew). They're also as common as dirt. If I were a rich moron who buys such pointless things to impress young boys and sluts to build up my low self-esteem I wouldn't touch them. There are plenty of independents. SOME of them are decent. Some of them are better. Like Pagani.

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entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:40 pm

Most new cars in general are garbage.

The cars are made crappier, the parts are made crappier, and the quality of work done to them is crappier.

People nowadays are a mix of being too ambivalent and too stupid to know what a quality car is and what it isn't. People will buy crap cars, have them break, and then buy another crap car because they got a good deal on it or because it has a sunroof or navigation or built-in-ball-massager in the seat. True quality and reliability don't matter to people anymore. They just want a whole bunch of electronic gizmos and they don't want to pay any extra for it either.

And yes, I've actually considered all this when thinking about whether I want to replace my car(s) with a new car.

evolutionmovement · Post by **evolutionmovement** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:02 pm

I have a friend who just junked his Cavalier. 315k miles. Blew a HG. He'll tell you his Escort was a POS, though - only made it to 295k. American cars aren't great, but they're much cheaper than Eurotrash cars and a lot easier to fix most of the time. You want electrical problems - try VW or recent Mercedes (though supposedly the brand new ones have gotten better). Mercedes-Benz is another company like Subaru - the old stuff was built to last and the new stuff not so much. Rappers and people with identity issues like them, though and those people like to spend lots of money, so it works for M-B.

Speaking of Eurotrash - since more toy cars are being mentioned, I'd like to add the Iso Grifo 327 and Facel Vega Facel II. Euro style, but engines that don't suck (for their day).

danan_22 · Post by **danan_22** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:49 pm

My winterbeater is a '95 Audi 90. I also own a Durango, and that is unfortunatly what I make payments on. I can't wait til that is over with, cuz then its gone! I have a 94 maxima SE that is race only. I dig the 3rd gen Maximas about as much as I like the Legacies. 190hp from the factory, stock LSD, decent suspension setup. Only drawback is its uglyness. Total sleeper car. A little heavy(3150lbs from Nissan) but is literally rediculous quick, especially after you strip it out. I have a few other cars that are race only, or will be race only. Im currently wishing to sell out and get an RX8, but I'm not quite that rich yet.

internetautomart · Post by **internetautomart** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:53 am

danan_22 wrote:My winterbeater is a '95 Audi 90. I also own a Durango, and that is unfortunatly what I make payments on. I can't wait til that is over with, cuz then its gone! I have a 94 maxima SE that is race only. I dig the 3rd gen Maximas about as much as I like the Legacies. 190hp from the factory, stock LSD, decent suspension setup. Only drawback is its uglyness. Total sleeper car. A little heavy(3150lbs from Nissan) but is literally rediculous quick, especially after you strip it out. I have a few other cars that are race only, or will be race only. Im currently wishing to sell out and get an RX8, but I'm not quite that rich yet.

the max is not ugly!!!

I've had 4 VEs so far. still looking for another one. they just spiked in price around here so I ended up buying this legacy so I'd have some wheels, but I'll probably keep it for a while and get another VE to drive when I'm in the mood for it.
one can never have too many cars

danan_22 · Post by **danan_22** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:12 am

to each there own i guess haha! I don't like the looks, but whats underneath it is a different story. did you own se's or gxe's?

internetautomart · Post by **internetautomart** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:02 am

danan_22 wrote:to each there own i guess haha! I don't like the looks, but whats underneath it is a different story. did you own se's or gxe's?

you ever seen a GXE with a VE?
only 92-94 SE models got the VE30DE 190hp motor ALL of mine have been VEs
I don't like timing belts on interference motors

Murphy · Post by **Murphy** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:17 am

the older pushrod v6's used to make were all crap, underpowered and very unreliable. now they are only underpowered, Ford has i think come a very long way in a short amount of time

never had any problems with our 98' 2.5L Ranger, or our 00' Focus, my friends 05' v6 wanna be nutstang has never seen a shop for a problem either
havent really heard of to many problems with the newer cars other than i heard of allot of problems with 6.0L Powerstrokes, but i hear the newer 6.4L are worlds better, but then again, its not Fords motor anyway

AWD_addict · Post by **AWD_addict** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:35 am

Well I'm late to this thread, but I would like to have something like an Exige S someday. I'd also like to build a kit car like a Super 7, but not a 7 because my feet don't fit the footbox too well.

I want a hybrid that is more than adequately powered, so it's green mostly in name only. Like the GS 450h, but smaller.

internetautomart · Post by **internetautomart** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:48 pm

AWD_addict wrote:Well I'm late to this thread, but I would like to have something like an Exige S someday. I'd also like to build a kit car like a Super 7, but not a 7 because my feet don't fit the footbox too well.

I want a hybrid that is more than adequately powered, so it's green mostly in name only. Like the GS 450h, but smaller.

eventually I will build my own car too, but probably not until my kids are grown and out of the house.

206er · Post by **206er** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:24 pm

I'm not at all a loyalist. I just happen to like subarus because they are damn functional, fun, cheap to own, versatile, and well made.
there are a lot of cars I'd love to own, but would never consider for daily driver status.
for my next other than subaru DD car i'm considering:
-audi 4kq with 10VT swap(hmm maybe not)
-'79-85 toyota pickup with EFI swap, some tube, elocker, dual cases and 33's(most likely scenario)
-early 60's wagon on steels, slammed, with highway gears, a small V8 or straight 6, and late model 5sp swap.(want to own something like this before it gets prohibitvely expensive to put gas in it)
-turbodiesel mk1 or mk2 jetta bombed, stock looking(kinda sketchy DD, rare)
-another subaru of some kind(likely)

I've got to get a TIG, bender, and lots of other tools before I do this, but first big build will be:
-rwd 60's-80's jap car with swap, TE27, 510 or the like
-part of a samurai or CJ-2A tub on a toyota frame/running gear with lots of tube
-'27-'34 RPU(roadster pickup) rat rod- too low, too much motor

danan_22 · Post by **danan_22** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:46 pm

"you ever seen a GXE with a VE?
only 92-94 SE models got the VE30DE 190hp motor ALL of mine have been VEs
I don't like timing belts on interference motors"

my bad, I didnt read your comment thoroughly enough(vg/ve). Mine is 94, and i have a 2nd engine I am working on that is out of a 94. No crummy vtc's to worry about. Although it just worked out that way. I know the cars and engines extremely well. I have never really bothered with a GXE for anything other than spare odds and ends however. Funny that you've been through so many of them. Wreck 'em?

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