Apex3 wrote:Apparently swapping to the other direction was as easy as twisting the bulb mount, it wasn't in the glass, so I would assume these would also be in the bulb mount. They made it that way because different European countries drive on the left side, but Germany doesn't.
Which brings me to my next question, wouldn't it depend on what country the headlights came from? Not all countries in Europe drive in the right, I think most drive on the left actually.
That's almost exactly the explanation I've heard. I'm told the same EDM glass is used in British and German market cars. Supposedly the flutes and lenses should be the same, most of the adjustment is in the bulb mount... does anyone know for sure what the physical difference is? I know the light pattern in the lens itself makes less difference then most think... you can prove this to yourself simply by turning your lights on and twisting the bulb in the mount while pointed at e.g. the garage door. You'll see that the pattern (if your lenses are clean!) is mostly determined by bulb orientation. Dirty, yellow lenses make a round blob regardless...
*EDIT* except on the high beam.
93 Leg-c - Maybe it's not a bad idea... If it's not too rainy tonight I'll pop the old bulb back in one light and leave the new one in the other and compare (then switch so you can see each side). I never actually did that, but I can tell you the bulbs make a noticeable difference. I have measured the luminosity of the silverstars but I have no idea where I put that data.
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Yes, on some lights it is easy to change the beam pattern. For example, I have a set of Morette lights for my '98 bk. Switching from LHD to RHD beam pattern is as simple as loosening the bulb, turning the bulb full clockwise or counterclockwise and then locking them in place.
For jdm projectors for second-generation Legacies, the headlight has to be taken apart and modified internally in order to effect a LHD beam pattern. These housings can accept HID projectors with modifications.
But for our first gen lights, the light pattern is part of the lens themselves. Even if the bulb were re-positioned, it would not change the overall beam pattern but it could skew it and make it even worse.
This is why trying to install HIDs in first gen headlight won't work properly unless you modify the lens itself (whether it be glass or plastic lens).
That's what Steve (evolutionmovement) first started doing when he embarked on his project of installing Hella 90mm lights in the factory headlight housings. He had to grind down and polish the inside of the lens to make them as smooth as possible to be distortion-free so the 90mms would have the proper beam pattern.
As regards headlights from Europe, yes, thanks for that reminder because it does matter from which country the headlights originate from. And if Timo or others can source them for us, they have to make sure that the headlights are for LHD cars. For example, I believe Germany is LHD while England is RHD (others can chime in to confirm which countries are LHD).
chochocho wrote:anyone has the part number for the edm headlights? for both 90-91 as well as 92-94?
In the past, Board members tried to obtain the lights and other parts by using the part numbers. The obstacle that arose is that if the part number is for a non-US part, SOA (Subaru of America) does not have those numbers listed so they say they cannot get those parts.
However, if you have a contact, say in Europe, perhaps they may be able to get them.
It might be cheaper to get just the EDM glass lens from Subaru, and then bake your lenses off and just swap the glass in. I am having to refinish my headlights about once every year because they start to get foggy. The beam pattern and brightness are great after the refinishes. I think that is where most of the improvement comes from and not the reflector. I think that some of South America got the glass headlights too. When I was in Peru, all the legacies had nice clear lenses with city lights. South America could be a cheaper and easier place to source these from.
-Max
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legacymax wrote:It might be cheaper to get just the EDM glass lens from Subaru, and then bake your lenses off and just swap the glass in. .........
-Max
The contours of the rear housing will prevent that. The glass headlights don't "wrap around" as deep as the plastic ones do.
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Anybody have the 90-91 headlight part numbers? Quick google search of one of those part numbers came up with a headlight on ebay for 92-94. For 10 euros...
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I just spent the last 20 mins compiling a list of the countries around the world and seperating them by which side of the road they drive on. You only want to buy headlights from a country which drives on the right side of the road because the beam patterns will be the same as ours unlike the beam patterns of countries which drive on the left as they will point higher on the left side blinding oncoming traffic.
Drives On The Right Side Of The Road
Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
American Samoa
Andorra
Angola
Argentina
Armenia
Aruba
Austria
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Belarus
Belgium
Belize
Benin
Bolivia
Bosnia
Brazil
British Indian Ocean Territory (Diego Garcia)
Bulgaria
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada
Cape Verde
Central African Republic
Chad
Chile
China, People's Republic of
Colombia
Comoros
Congo
Costa Rica
Croatia
Cuba
Czech Republic
Democratic Republic of Congo (Formerly Zaire)
Denmark
Djibouti
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Faroe Islands (Denmark)
Finland
France
French Guiana
French Polynesia
Gabon
Gambia
Gaza Strip
Georgia
Germany
Ghana
Gibraltar
Greece
Greenland
Guadeloupe (French West Indies)
Guam
Guatemala
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Haiti
Herzegovina
Honduras
Hungary
Iceland
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Italy
Ivory Coast
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Korea, Democratic People's Republic of (North)
Korea, Republic of (South)
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Latvia
Lebanon
Liberia
Libya
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Macedonia
Madagascar
Mali
Marshall Islands
Martinique (French West Indies)
Mauritania
Mayotte (France)
Mexico
Micronesia, Federated States of
Midway Islands (USA)
Moldova
Monaco
Mongolia
Morocco
Myanmar
Netherlands
Netherlands Antilles (Curacao, Saba, St. Eustatius, St. Maarten)
New Caledonia
Nicaragua
Niger
Nigeria
Northern Mariana Islands (Saipan)
Norway
Oman
Palau
Panama
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Puerto Rico
Qatar
Reunion
Romania
Russia
Rwanda
Saint Barthélemy (French West Indies)
Saint Martin (French West Indies)
Saint Pierre and Miquelon (France)
Samoa
San Marino
São Tomé e Príncipe
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Serbia and Montenegro (Yugoslavia)
Sierra Leone
Slovakia
Slovenia
Somalia (Somaliland, drives on left, Puntland I am not sure.)
Spain
Sudan
Svalbard (Norway)
Sweden
Switzerland
Syria
Taiwan (Republic of China)
Tajikistan
Togo
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United States
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vanuatu
Venezuela
Vietnam
Wake Island (USA)
Wallis and Futuna Islands (France)
West Bank
Western Sahara
Yemen
Drives On The Left Side Of The Road
Anguilla
Antigua
Australia
Bahamas
Bangladesh
Barbados
Barbuda
Bermuda
Bhutan
Botswana
Brunei
Cayman Islands
Channel Islands
Christmas Island (Australia)
Cocos (Keeling) Islands (Australia)
Cook Islands
Cyprus
Dominica
East Timor
Falkland Islands
Fiji
Grenada
Guyana
Hong Kong
India
Indonesia
Ireland
Isle of Man
Jamaica
Japan
Kenya
Kiribati
Lesotho
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Malta
Mauritius
Montserrat
Mozambique
Namibia
Nauru
Nepal
New Zealand
Niue
Norfolk Island (Australia)
Pakistan
Papua New Guinea
Pitcairn Islands (Britain)
Saint Helena
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Seychelles
Singapore
Solomon Islands
Somaliland
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Suriname
Swaziland
Tanzania
Thailand
Tokelau (New Zealand)
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Turks and Caicos Islands
Tuvalu
Uganda
United Kingdom
Virgin Islands (British)
Virgin Islands (USA)
Tonga
Zambia
Zimbabwe
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I just found these part numbers on ebay Netherlands. Brand new headlights selling in two seperate auctions from the same seller.
84001AG371 Left Headlamp Assy
84001AG361 Right Headlamp Assy
They were going for 414 EUR / 375 GBP each!
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SP-Boxer wrote:Those are OEM HID's for the Legacy IV!
No wonder they are pretty expensive
What's the legacy IV?
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) are RHD!
