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ultrasonic
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Speaking for myself, I'm NOT looking for electric adjusting. I want simple, manual adjustment, glass headlights. I hope the Italian source is cheaper, because starting at over $200, then adding shipping, etc. is more than I'm willing to invest.
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I'd like the electrically adjustable, I have no problem paying a premium, assuming you can get all the parts. Just lemme know when.
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ok - after a research, phonecalls, trips, etc... i got this:
In Italy Legacy 1 is rare as water in a desert; very few were sold that time (there were only two SVXs sold); I was told that the reason was 110% tax on factory price, since Italy was protecting their automotive industry + Euro taxes (polution),..
And I had to find a new source - I got it in Switzerland - land of Swiss knives & chocolate & Legacys; my friend lives and works there, comes home once a month; he was kind enough to visit some yards, check the prices... and what I got is this:
- we are talking about Legacy 1 - pre-facelift model (up to 1991) Europe (not UK!) manual adjustable glass headlamps with inegrated positional lamp on the edge - see picture below and check pictures at the begining of this post; headlamps are (will be) 100% in perfect condition - nothing broken or scratched
- please be 100% shure it fits;
- many sets are available (I'm talking about 8-10 sets, perhaps few more); it is possible to get headlamps for newer models; i must check on el. adjustable
- calculation of price has been made on presumption of "group buy" of 5 sets (approx. 30kg brutto?) of headlamps (cheaper shipping); shipping of 25-30kg package costs 115 USD - "fragile" sticker included (for example: 2-5kg package shipping costs 60 uSD); delivery time about 2-3 weeks (snailmail)
- price per set calculation: (one set of lamp costs 188 USD): 5 x 188USD + 115USD (shipping)=1055 USD; which gives us (split in five) the price 211 USD/set of headlamps - shipped to someone's address in USA; price of shipping can slightly change (i was told up to 10 USD/package - depends on which part of USA I send the package! as soon as you give me specific address I can tell you exact price.
now to the hard part:
1. is this price acceptable to you? I don't believe I can get them much cheaper
2. I have no idea how the packet will be treated by your custom - it's on you to find out...
3. also - I have no idea for cheapest transport across USA (it is most unlikely you all live in same street
) - t's on you to find out...
4. is it possible, that you organize yourself, define someone trustable, who will collect the money, recieve the package, distribute the lamps,...
5. payment options: I have no idea; since you don't know me, I don't know you - it's kinnda risky for both sides; I don't want to be stuck with 10 headlamps and empty pockets (1050 USD - that's my almost 1 month salary) - it will take me a century to sell them here; you don't want to send money someone you don't know to a country you probably never heard of... my proposition is: 50% in advance, 50% on delivery (I can send package with "cash on delivery"); if anyone has better idea... let me know
- and in the end: what's in it for me? after I found out the suppliers price, I recognized there is propably no room for my commission; all I hope for is we could make a route for sending (not only Subaru) parts we (me/my friends, you/you'r friends) need ; I intend to accomplish my work 100%.
So - take your time, think it over and let me know...
In Italy Legacy 1 is rare as water in a desert; very few were sold that time (there were only two SVXs sold); I was told that the reason was 110% tax on factory price, since Italy was protecting their automotive industry + Euro taxes (polution),..
And I had to find a new source - I got it in Switzerland - land of Swiss knives & chocolate & Legacys; my friend lives and works there, comes home once a month; he was kind enough to visit some yards, check the prices... and what I got is this:
- we are talking about Legacy 1 - pre-facelift model (up to 1991) Europe (not UK!) manual adjustable glass headlamps with inegrated positional lamp on the edge - see picture below and check pictures at the begining of this post; headlamps are (will be) 100% in perfect condition - nothing broken or scratched
- please be 100% shure it fits;
- many sets are available (I'm talking about 8-10 sets, perhaps few more); it is possible to get headlamps for newer models; i must check on el. adjustable
- calculation of price has been made on presumption of "group buy" of 5 sets (approx. 30kg brutto?) of headlamps (cheaper shipping); shipping of 25-30kg package costs 115 USD - "fragile" sticker included (for example: 2-5kg package shipping costs 60 uSD); delivery time about 2-3 weeks (snailmail)
- price per set calculation: (one set of lamp costs 188 USD): 5 x 188USD + 115USD (shipping)=1055 USD; which gives us (split in five) the price 211 USD/set of headlamps - shipped to someone's address in USA; price of shipping can slightly change (i was told up to 10 USD/package - depends on which part of USA I send the package! as soon as you give me specific address I can tell you exact price.
now to the hard part:
1. is this price acceptable to you? I don't believe I can get them much cheaper
2. I have no idea how the packet will be treated by your custom - it's on you to find out...
3. also - I have no idea for cheapest transport across USA (it is most unlikely you all live in same street
) - t's on you to find out...4. is it possible, that you organize yourself, define someone trustable, who will collect the money, recieve the package, distribute the lamps,...
5. payment options: I have no idea; since you don't know me, I don't know you - it's kinnda risky for both sides; I don't want to be stuck with 10 headlamps and empty pockets (1050 USD - that's my almost 1 month salary) - it will take me a century to sell them here; you don't want to send money someone you don't know to a country you probably never heard of... my proposition is: 50% in advance, 50% on delivery (I can send package with "cash on delivery"); if anyone has better idea... let me know
- and in the end: what's in it for me? after I found out the suppliers price, I recognized there is propably no room for my commission; all I hope for is we could make a route for sending (not only Subaru) parts we (me/my friends, you/you'r friends) need ; I intend to accomplish my work 100%.
So - take your time, think it over and let me know...
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ultrasonic
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Hey, first of all, thank you THANK YOU for doing this research.
I know I'll have to think this deal through and decide what I want to do.
My only reservation at this point is that I have been talking to a fabricator about making a carbon fibre unit that will house Hella 90mm modular high and low beam lamps. I will be taking a stock light with mounting bracket to him to get an estimate. And, yes, we will be making a reuseable mold, if anyone else is interested in such a unit. No prices yet.
I simply have to decide if I want to go to the trouble of making a complicated deal like this work, or making a custom fabrication. Either way, it's an expensive and time consuming project.
Just so I can see better at night.
Thanks again for putting the work into it. I'm sure others will weigh in with their ideas.
I know I'll have to think this deal through and decide what I want to do.
My only reservation at this point is that I have been talking to a fabricator about making a carbon fibre unit that will house Hella 90mm modular high and low beam lamps. I will be taking a stock light with mounting bracket to him to get an estimate. And, yes, we will be making a reuseable mold, if anyone else is interested in such a unit. No prices yet.
I simply have to decide if I want to go to the trouble of making a complicated deal like this work, or making a custom fabrication. Either way, it's an expensive and time consuming project.
Just so I can see better at night.
Thanks again for putting the work into it. I'm sure others will weigh in with their ideas.
-steve-
03 Legacy L Wagon
91 Legacy Sport Sedan - SOLD
94 Legacy Touring Wagon - SOLD
00 Impreza L Sport Wagon - totaled!
03 Legacy L Wagon
91 Legacy Sport Sedan - SOLD
94 Legacy Touring Wagon - SOLD
00 Impreza L Sport Wagon - totaled!
I dont care if I have to pay 188 plus 115 myself, I want these lights 
Though could you price the electrically adjustables?
And yes thank you so very much for going through all this trouble, you rock!
So we need 5 people eh?
Personally I wouldn't mind paying you extra for your services.
Though could you price the electrically adjustables?
And yes thank you so very much for going through all this trouble, you rock!
So we need 5 people eh?
Personally I wouldn't mind paying you extra for your services.
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I'm with THAWA, and I would definatly we willing to pay some extra for your trouble.THAWA wrote:I dont care if I have to pay 188 plus 115 myself, I want these lights
Personally I wouldn't mind paying you extra for your services.
If the 92-94 headlamps are about the same price count me in. I don't care if they are manual or not.
One more thing, I can't believe we are talking about lighiting without Vgr3......
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Hehe, these days I do actually miss some threads.
EJ22_SLO, wow, your car looks really nice!
Headlamps are one thing that are much better in Europe than in any other place in the world. American headlamps especially are generally very poor in quality. Occasionally you can find some that are pretty good (like 1992-1994 Legacies), but most are terrible (like 1990-1991 Legacies). In almost all cases, your headlamps (housings, reflectors, lenses) are better than ours. To us they are easily worth a few hundred dollars. In my opinion there should be some room for you to earn a comission in return for all your help and effort helping us improve our cars.
The "position lights" you refer to are also often called "city lights." Here in North America we call them parking lights as they are legally only used when the car is not moving.
It's not important to include bulbs if you're finding headlamps for us poor Americans. We can buy H4 bulbs here at our local auto parts store; they're called 9003 bulbs.
The model year changes were different in Europe and in North America. In North America, we had the pre-facelift design from 1990 to 1991, and the post-facelift design from 1992 to 1994. In Europe I think you got each of them one year earlier (1989 to 1990 and 1991 to 1993). Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
For most of us, the electrically adjusting lamps are only useful if we can also get the switch and wiring that goes with them.
EJ22_SLO, thank you for all your effort so far. I think you will find that many of us would be more than happy to pay you for the work you're putting into the group buy.
I'm curious to see if you can find headlamps for post-facelift models (1992 model year for example) as well.
I expect I'll join in the group buy one way or another.
EJ22_SLO, wow, your car looks really nice!
Headlamps are one thing that are much better in Europe than in any other place in the world. American headlamps especially are generally very poor in quality. Occasionally you can find some that are pretty good (like 1992-1994 Legacies), but most are terrible (like 1990-1991 Legacies). In almost all cases, your headlamps (housings, reflectors, lenses) are better than ours. To us they are easily worth a few hundred dollars. In my opinion there should be some room for you to earn a comission in return for all your help and effort helping us improve our cars.
The "position lights" you refer to are also often called "city lights." Here in North America we call them parking lights as they are legally only used when the car is not moving.
It's not important to include bulbs if you're finding headlamps for us poor Americans. We can buy H4 bulbs here at our local auto parts store; they're called 9003 bulbs.
The model year changes were different in Europe and in North America. In North America, we had the pre-facelift design from 1990 to 1991, and the post-facelift design from 1992 to 1994. In Europe I think you got each of them one year earlier (1989 to 1990 and 1991 to 1993). Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
For most of us, the electrically adjusting lamps are only useful if we can also get the switch and wiring that goes with them.
EJ22_SLO, thank you for all your effort so far. I think you will find that many of us would be more than happy to pay you for the work you're putting into the group buy.
I'm curious to see if you can find headlamps for post-facelift models (1992 model year for example) as well.
I expect I'll join in the group buy one way or another.
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- post-facelift (we call it Legacy II) lamps are available, but friend tells me they are harder to find (dunno why); i'll have the prices propably tomorrow... i'll let you know;
- about electrically adjusted headlamps - headlamp (with housing, electromotor etc.) + control unit on dasboard + connectors - is this enough (no wires...)?
- do you need H4(9003)/parking lamp connectors also??
- about group buy - it's the cheapest way to get lamps over sea.. simple as that
if i send a single set to each one - the price will get sky high... i think we don't want that
Regards from Slovenia - we're still waiting for snow
- about electrically adjusted headlamps - headlamp (with housing, electromotor etc.) + control unit on dasboard + connectors - is this enough (no wires...)?
- do you need H4(9003)/parking lamp connectors also??
- about group buy - it's the cheapest way to get lamps over sea.. simple as that
if i send a single set to each one - the price will get sky high... i think we don't want thatRegards from Slovenia - we're still waiting for snow
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Somehow, post-facelift lamps are harder to find here too.
The parts you list for electrical adjustment should be sufficient. If the connectors have a few centimeters of wire on them we can connect them to our own wire.
Post-facelift cars don't need H4 connectors (we already use H4 bulbs), but pre-facelift might. However, it's not critical, because we can buy H4 connectors at any auto parts store.
The city light connectors should also be available at auto parts stores, but if you can include them easily it might be nice.
I agree that group buy is the best way to do this. It should be easy to get enough commitments.
The parts you list for electrical adjustment should be sufficient. If the connectors have a few centimeters of wire on them we can connect them to our own wire.
Post-facelift cars don't need H4 connectors (we already use H4 bulbs), but pre-facelift might. However, it's not critical, because we can buy H4 connectors at any auto parts store.
The city light connectors should also be available at auto parts stores, but if you can include them easily it might be nice.
I agree that group buy is the best way to do this. It should be easy to get enough commitments.
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I'm doing my own headlight mods, but if for some reason (maybe cheaper shipping as I'm East Coast near Boston?) anyone needs me to receive these to then ship intracontinental, I'd be willing to do it. I'd like to see what they look like in person anyway (though if Vikash gets a set I'm sure I'll see them eventually).
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prices in EUR:
- legacy 1 (pre - facelift) - manual headlamps - set - 145 EUR + shipping + (your custom/tax???)
- legacy 2 (post - facelift) - manual headlamps - set - 165 EUR + shipping + (your custom/tax???)
- legacy 2 (post facelift) - ellectrical adj. (incl. all connectors & control unit on dashboard; not including wires) hadlamps - set - 180 EUR + shipping + (your custom/tax???)
Shipping from Slovenia/Ljubljana - normal (delivery ~2-3 weeks) postal service costs:
- 46 EUR (2-5 kg ~ price for shipping 1set send individually)
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- 83 EUR (25-30 kg) - should be about 4-5 sets
add:
- 4 EUR - for fragile handling
- 3 EUR - for pay on delivery
UPS, DHL delivery also available (expensive!?)
(Slovenian postal service prices can be checked @: Slovenian post; 1 EUR= 241 SIT (slovenian tolar - our local currency) - look for "Paket - ZDA in Kanada" - package for USA & Canada; metric units - "od" - means from "do" means to; "Odkupnina" - pay at delivery; "Pazlivejse ravnanje" - fragile handling...)
I still mutst check what if package is heavier than 30 kg...
Payment:
- if buying 1 or 2 set(s): 50% advance, 50% on delivery
- 3 - 5 (group buy)- 20% advance, 80% on delivery; package is delivered at address of someone you pick as your "representative"...
advance payment via Westren Union Money Transfer...
as i said before - I intend to accomplish my part of deal 100%
All hadlamps will be in perfect fit; i'll do best i can with package (foam etc...);
PS: please find out how USA customs will treat package (used auto parts.., can we make it "a gift"?
)
PPS: i'm loking for rear spoiler (wing) - legacy1 or 2 with rised roof
still waiting 4 snow...[/b]
- legacy 1 (pre - facelift) - manual headlamps - set - 145 EUR + shipping + (your custom/tax???)
- legacy 2 (post - facelift) - manual headlamps - set - 165 EUR + shipping + (your custom/tax???)
- legacy 2 (post facelift) - ellectrical adj. (incl. all connectors & control unit on dashboard; not including wires) hadlamps - set - 180 EUR + shipping + (your custom/tax???)
Shipping from Slovenia/Ljubljana - normal (delivery ~2-3 weeks) postal service costs:
- 46 EUR (2-5 kg ~ price for shipping 1set send individually)
..
..
- 83 EUR (25-30 kg) - should be about 4-5 sets
add:
- 4 EUR - for fragile handling
- 3 EUR - for pay on delivery
UPS, DHL delivery also available (expensive!?)
(Slovenian postal service prices can be checked @: Slovenian post; 1 EUR= 241 SIT (slovenian tolar - our local currency) - look for "Paket - ZDA in Kanada" - package for USA & Canada; metric units - "od" - means from "do" means to; "Odkupnina" - pay at delivery; "Pazlivejse ravnanje" - fragile handling...)
I still mutst check what if package is heavier than 30 kg...
Payment:
- if buying 1 or 2 set(s): 50% advance, 50% on delivery
- 3 - 5 (group buy)- 20% advance, 80% on delivery; package is delivered at address of someone you pick as your "representative"...
advance payment via Westren Union Money Transfer...
as i said before - I intend to accomplish my part of deal 100%
All hadlamps will be in perfect fit; i'll do best i can with package (foam etc...);
PS: please find out how USA customs will treat package (used auto parts.., can we make it "a gift"?
)PPS: i'm loking for rear spoiler (wing) - legacy1 or 2 with rised roof
still waiting 4 snow...
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EJ22_SLO, thank you again for all your help with this.
The extra 4 Euros for fragile handling is a must. International packages are normally subjected to very rough treatment. Even with fragile handling they will have to be packaged very carefully.
Is it possible to also purchase shipping insurance?
I have had packages shipped from Europe to me in the USA via the post before and have never had to deal with any customs duties. The packages were just delivered by the US postal service just like any other large package. So especially if the lamps are shipped 1 set at a time, I don't think we will have difficulty with customs. That is just based on my experience with packages from the UK, Germany, and Romania, though.
Anyone who wants to convert Euros to Dollars: http://www.xe.com/
Let's start compiling a list of people who want in on the deal so we can figure out whether to go group buy or individual.
I, for one, want to buy a set of post-facelift electrically adjustable lamps.
The extra 4 Euros for fragile handling is a must. International packages are normally subjected to very rough treatment. Even with fragile handling they will have to be packaged very carefully.
Is it possible to also purchase shipping insurance?
I have had packages shipped from Europe to me in the USA via the post before and have never had to deal with any customs duties. The packages were just delivered by the US postal service just like any other large package. So especially if the lamps are shipped 1 set at a time, I don't think we will have difficulty with customs. That is just based on my experience with packages from the UK, Germany, and Romania, though.
Anyone who wants to convert Euros to Dollars: http://www.xe.com/
Let's start compiling a list of people who want in on the deal so we can figure out whether to go group buy or individual.
I, for one, want to buy a set of post-facelift electrically adjustable lamps.
"Just reading vrg3's convoluted, information-packed posts made me feel better all over again." -- subyluvr2212